Sebelius Responds to Dying Girl ‘Someone Lives and Someone Dies’

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  1. 96Gatorcise
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    so now you are OK with a federal govt judge choosing who lives and who dies?

    If this goes through then what do you do when a 9 yr old sues? 8,7,6 yr old?

    It opens a huge can of worms?
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    At the behest of her doctor...yes. But a judge is not a law maker and law makers that put Obama-care together are government. Judges are not law makers so I don't consider them as government.


    Nice try on twisting the facts... again.
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    So everytime a person that only wants a transplant to prolong her life thinks they should be higher on the list sues, how are you going to feel? Why should the court interfere in a medical matter?

    And what if the person that got bumped for her to get on the list countersues? Yep, this is wahat we want our courts to do!
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    Not every time.
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    Her doctor doesn't control nationwide organ allocation. Literally everyone on both the adult and pediatric waiting lists has a doctor who says they could receive a transplant, its a precondition for being on either list. Its the doctors.at UNOS who are responsible for setting the policies about how the organs are allocated.
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    so if two drs disagree on care everyone should sue?

    her dr. thinks it COULD work and prolong her life....


    the Drs in charge of UNOS the organ transplant authority says no we have adults that are better suited and have better survial rates.

    who's right?
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    hypocrite..
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    Not a surprise that someone is taking two different views on a single issue based on circumstances. That's why our politicians are so two faced as well.
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    Suing is so...liberal. No I don't believe they should all sue. Just the one's from NY. I think the law that prohibits 10 year olds from getting adult transplants might be out of touch.
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    it very well may be, I will not argue that point. So the govt did the right thing. Instead of blindly and haphazardly changing the policy. A review has been ordered to see if the change is a rational and prudent one to make. Not an emotional one
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    Which is all fine and dandy except for, you know, the fact that THERE IS NO LAW THAT DOES THAT.

    The law says that HHS is to contract with a non-profit organization to administer the transplant waiting lists and requires that non-profit who administers the lists to formulate policies, based on best medical evidence, that will maximize successful transplant outcomes and avoid wasting organs.

    The doctors at that non-profit have said that giving pediatric recipients absolute priority for pediatric organs while giving adults the first shot at adult organs is the policy which best accomplishes those goals because having similar chest sizes is one of the most significant factors in predicting likelihood of transplant success.
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    Do you even know the meaning of that word? :no:


    Judges don't write laws, therefor I don't consider them to be government.
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    If that's the case the entire executive branch isn't the government either, so HHS should feel free to muddle around in healthcare all it wants?
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    Can you provide a link where she wanted to be placed "higher" on the list? Every thing I have read she just wanted to be able to get on the list
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    The SCOTUS says what is and isn't Constitutional. Though they are part of the three branches of government they rarely re-write laws that can and do affect me personally. So they are benign in a sense/harmless, somewhat.
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    Getting on the list in and of itself places her higher on the list (and was the entire point of this exercise). She was already eligible to receive an adult donation provided that no adult recipient was suited to receive it based upon UNOS's evidence-based policy that says successful outcomes are maximized by giving adult organs to adult recipients, now she's eligible to be ahead of adult recipients.
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    The law prohibited her from being on the list in the first place.
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    I'm not sure that I agree, but don't actually care to go down that tangent. Was just teasing you based on what your original wording would have implied but that you clearly wouldn't agree with.
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    There is no law. And while UNOS's policy did prohibit her from being on the list in the technical sense, it didn't mean that she did not already have a spot in the order of who adult donations would go to (she did, and they weren't happy with where the policy said that spot should be).

    UNOS's policy just said that she wasn't eligible to receive an adult donation unless there was no adult eligible to receive it (eligibility doesn't mean everyone on the list, it means people that UNOS's system says are well suited to receive any given donation and it's essentially impossible to quantify how many people are in front of you at any given time because of the number of variables considered by the allocation system). The purported basis of that policy is the evidence that implantation of an adult lung into a child is less likely to be successful than implantation of an adult lung into an adult.
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    I know what you guys are doing, Ben. :grin:

    I did say I think the law should be revisited.

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