Sebelius Responds to Dying Girl ‘Someone Lives and Someone Dies’

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    He's already making her burial plans.
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    He ain't the only one
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    true. I hope she makes it.
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    The average life expectancy for a CF patient after lung transplant is 5.7 years.

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/478865

    You don't think that people without a chronic disease who could live for much longer periods than that should have priority?
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    Quit playing Obama-care politics with this girl's life already.
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    It's an order telling her to interfere. More accurately, now if she doesn't interfere she would potentially be in contempt.
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    There are fewer lung transplants than there are people who need them. Why in the world would we allocate scarce organs to those who are least likely to have long-term survival even with the transplant?
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    You said she couldn't interfere before. Is that how you feel now?
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    I don't think she should put herself in contempt and ignore the order, but without seeing the briefing my gut is that I think HHS should appeal it and seek to have the injunction set aside.

    Presuming that HHS believes that there is a medical basis for UNOS's policies, this order has the potential to result in an outcome that misallocates organs and is inconsistent with the federal regulations mandating that the policies be drafted in a manner that maximizes the likelihood of favorable transplant outcomes and does not waste organs, and if they believe that they should seek to have it set aside.
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    Funny you SHOULD state that....the pugs HAD 6 years of TOTAL control and DID nothing....2000-06....w/health care....:ninja:

    mind you...this REGIME is bad as well...(I can't stand EITHER)...but your hypocrisy IS astounding...:sick:
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    So you say let her die, so lets cut all the chit here because that's what it all boils down to.
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    I say if we're choosing between whether the organs go to someone who statistically is likely to live less than 6 years even with the transplant and someone who would have a much greater life expectancy and live a relatively normal life after transplant, you would have to be out of your mind to give the transplant to the person with the 6 year life expectancy.

    Your hypotheticals all ignore the point that her getting the transplant means that someone else doesn't.
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    :huh:

    My steadfast disapproval of Obama-care and government interference in medical procedures/doctrine is unwavering.

    All I ever wanted is for Sebelious to take her a$$ out of the loop.
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    I will say it. Make her comfortable and say goodbye.
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    Except for when, like now, you're advocating government interference in medical procedures, of course.

    Otherwise, understood.
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    I want Sebelious out of the loop or do what's right. But we already went over the fact that the government is already intrenched in this so there you have it. Sebelious needs to step aside and let the doctors do their jobs.
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    this

    so if this goes through where does it stop?

    will people start suing over who gets hearts or kidneys? The rules are set up for a reason as stated above

    there have been plenty of people who died while waiting on a donor list....start changing the rules on the fly now and there will be plenty more
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    If that happens, this girl doesn't go on the patient list. The policies, drafted by the doctors at the non-profit which adminsters the list, say that she isn't eligible to be on the adult transplant list. The entire point is to force HHS to get involved and overrule UNOS's policies.
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    A judge can intervene.
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    He can, but he intervened to tell HHS to overrule the policies that are drafted by doctors with the goal of maximizing favorable transplant outcomes and avoiding wasting organs.

    I'm not sure how wanting that to happen is consistent with wanting the government to stay out of healthcare and let doctors decide.

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