Sean Hannity OWNS New Jersey Congressman In Debate

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    Sean Hannity was livid and on tonight's program caught this Dem NJ Congressman in a lie and told him that he was "full of crap" with all his lies. He would not answer Hannity's specific question so Hannity had to keep repeating it.

    Watch and listen to the exchange of words between them. Hannity was right and the Congressman from NJ lied as his Arizona republican colleague on the program confirms. Hannity challenged him to a $10,000 bet that would go to charity and the lying NJ congressman would not take him up on it because Sean caught him in a lie and exposed him live on national tv.

    Watch...:grin:

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2717779902001/
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    Not only that, but that senator lied about other things too. Congress in fact gets a few more perks under their coverage that none of the federal workers get. Granted, they are senators, but still they are perks no one else gets.
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    LMFAO! Wow... that dude got totally pimp-slapped.
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    Not really. Congress isn't being given a subsidy. Part of the aca makes federal health care given to other gov't workers no longer an option for Congress. So the govt being the employer is taking on the employers share of the cost that has always been available to them.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/

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    Can my employer do that for me?
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    Does he pay for your insurance now?

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    Part of it. The cost is increasing 40% under the aca. If I am forced to go to an exchange because of it,and the increase is only an increase of 25% for a lot less coverage, can they pay the difference for me?
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    I'm not going to venture a guess because in your case I truly don't know. Do you think your employer would if given the chance?

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    It's illegal under the ACA for an employer to pay a subsidy of any kind for an employee to use in an exchange. That is what Congress is being allowed to do in a change made by Obama to this law after the fact. Now Ben will be along to try and justify it, and he may have a point to some degree, but the fact is I am being forced to buy a cheaper product through the ACA by making the product I have now too expensive to keep. It's all part of the plan to force everyone off employer plans and into Obamacare.
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    Bottom line is that members of congress and their staff's have always had a deal that the rest of us could not get. ACA put them in the exchanges (actually a late add on by Chuck Grassley if memory serves me). By going into the exchanges, the lower paid workers would have been eligible for the same federal subsidies as any other lower paid worker outside of government. Those up the scale would be like those of us who pay 100%. President Doofus came in by executive order and granted this class a 72% subsidy by the federal government regardless of their income.

    So the democratic congressman was lying his ass off. He knew it and would not take the bet. He's a typical liberal ass hole from NJ that has conned people for a long time, bankrupting the country on the backs of the folks.
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    Click on the Bill O'Reilly video once you click the link. I did not see his memo live but watched it now and he lays out the best case for the end game.
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    Hannity starts off with "Liberals in this country claim they have monopoly on compassion ..."
    what an idiot. if you really think you have a strong case, you shouldn't to resort to such idiocy.
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    your employer can pay however much of the insurance you guys work out.
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    You mean like in a raise right? Or can I simply send them the bill and they pay it for me?
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    I guess you can try. But it seems like you don't have a clue how employer based insurance works.
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    Congress is not getting anything they didn't have before. Hannity know it but still continues to press half truths. There are plenty of things to rip on the President and the Dems but they shouldn't make stuff up.
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    We cover all full time employees 100%. Some of my employees wanted to have their own plan outside of what we offer. No problem. Gave them a pay raise netting them the equivalent cost of what our plan paid for them.

    After a while, all came back to our plan as it was much better and more cost effective than what they found on the open market.

    This has been over the past 10 years and now all employees are back in our group plan. We are a relatively young and healthy group so our rates of increase have been minimal and I pay them for the employees.
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    Yep and that is perfectly legal. Thing is, Congress cannot get a raise like that without legislative approval. The ACA prohibits employers from paying subsidies to exchanges on behalf of their employees. See what has happened here? The law was changed after it was passed to protect Congress from losing their benefit, effectively giving them an un-legislated raise. That is why people like me are upset about it. I can tell you my employer is unlikely to do that for me, especially in this economy. Why should Congress get that when they are the ones who forced this on us?

    Let me add that the reason this wasn't done like it should have been, through legislation, is Obama knows he would have had to allow other changes to the law as well, and he did not want to do that.
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    Seems like you don't have a clue about how the ACA works.
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    you were talking about yourself and your employee insurance.

    but, please, explain what I'm missing about ACA.

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