Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals and Obama

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    Recognize any of these?

    7. Tactics

    "Tactics are those conscious deliberate acts by which human beings live with each other and deal with the world around them. ... Here our concern is with the tactic of taking; how the Have-Nots can take power away from the Haves." p.126

    Always remember the first rule of power tactics (pps.127-134):

    1. "Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have."

    2. "Never go outside the expertise of your people. When an action or tactic is outside the experience of the people, the result is confusion, fear and retreat.... [and] the collapse of communication.

    3. "Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy. Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)

    4. "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity."

    5. "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

    6. "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."

    7. "A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag. Man can sustain militant interest in any issue for only a limited time...."

    8. "Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose."

    9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."

    10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign."

    11. "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through into its counterside... every positive has its negative."

    12. "The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative."

    13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.'...

    "...any target can always say, 'Why do you center on me when there are others to blame as well?' When your 'freeze the target,' you disregard these [rational but distracting] arguments.... Then, as you zero in and freeze your target and carry out your attack, all the 'others' come out of the woodwork very soon. They become visible by their support of the target...'

    "One acts decisively only in the conviction that all the angels are on one side and all the devils on the other." (pps.127-134)
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    What does this have to do with Obama?

    Did you know that FreedomWorks makes this required reading for leadership. Once the Tea Party started tying Obama to it (I still haven't figured out what they are trying to accomplish here) FreedomWorks repackaged it as Rules for Patriots and sent out thousands of copies to Tea Party groups everywhere.
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    Many religious groups have also used it. But its more fun for some to continually play up some bogeyman while ignoring facts.
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    IOW, lie, lie and lie some more. This is the only playbook for our legions of so-called public servants who have been living off of the government their entire lives.
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    It's Hussein's Bible.
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    So what exactly is supposed unique to Obama. Let me guess, it's No. 5, because conservatives would never use ridicule as a weapon. is that it?
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    9, 10, and 13 are ones that Obama and his ilk employ all the time. But, I see that Cruz is way smarter than the average Pub. So there is hope he knows how to country this BS that Dems like to sling. Rand Paul and Ted Cruz will make a great team in 2016.
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    9- ACA is going to lead to death panels and the IRS deciding who lives.

    10- Over forty votes to defund ACA.

    13- Obamacare rather than ACA.

    Am I doing it right?
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    You, my friend, are a freedom loving patriot. The founding fathers, the Constitution, and God himself would be proud of you! FREEDOM!
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    9. Throw grandma of a cliff and act like it's the Pubs that are doing it... when in fact it's the Dems that are guilty of this, by pretending that gutting medicare is somehow good for the elderly.

    10. Create as many scandals as possible... continually misleading and projecting nonsense.

    13. Act like paying your bills and living within your means is "extreme radicalism" like what the Tea Party stands for.
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    You liberals know that Hussein talks slow on purpose because it builds trust from the white folk. It's in one of his books that he brings this up.
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    still trying to figure out what's unique to liberals. any guesses?
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    Oh, you forgot one.

    Obama's victimhood. Sell it vigorously through your publicists in the MSM to the supposely "oppressed": blacks, women, latinos. Take the money and power of the oppressors.

    Then act like a mean spirited, narcissistic bastard who doesn't have to answer to the other 50% of the population.

    That is who he is and who supports him. It's that simple.

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    How does what you wrote fit "9. "The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself."? What would fit better is when the Dems say that what the Republicans want to do would result in Grandma getting thrown off the cliff. (This works better because it is what the Dems actually do and fits item 9.

    This fits item 10 fairly well, but is what the Republicans have been doing. I thought you were trying to give us examples of times when the Democrats have been doing that fits this?

    I'm not sure how this fits "13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. In conflict tactics there are certain rules that [should be regarded] as universalities. One is that the opposition must be singled out as the target and 'frozen.' " Could you clarify? What would fit better is identifying a time when the Democrats singled out an individual member of the Tea Party and mocked them, making sure to mention that they were a Tea Party member, O'Donnell and the witch story comes to mind, as does rehashing stupid things that Bachmann has said while mentioning that she is the founder of the House Tea Party caucus. That would be personalizing the target.
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    Every public speaker does this. It's a basic principle of public speaking.
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    When have we had a strict one party support and passage for a major legislation that has such a large ramification on the economy? This legislation deserves every bit of ridicule it gets because it's garbage law. As far as the death panels, that refers to rationing and if you don't believe that is already starting to happen and will continue to happen then you're naïve. People are getting hurt by this law.
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    Are you defending the communist playbook? :yes:Too much to correct on your rant... I'm tired I'll post later on this.
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    Speaking of recognizing Alinsky's tactics. How about this example?

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    In the post you quoted I wasn't defending anything. I was asking you to clarify your statements, since what you wrote did not seem to support your claims in this thread.

    Alinsky's rules aren't communist, or socialist, or any other ideology. They are political tactics that those out of power can use to get what they want from those in power. They are used by both the left and right because they work.

    Trying to tie them to Obama in some way just seems odd, since the right embraces and uses these tactics just as much as Obama does. Perhaps more so in the last 7 years since he has been in power and they have been out of power, they are much more effective for those out of power than the incumbent.
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    Imagine the US declaring war on Iran with no democrats in house or senate voting to go. Imagine passing sweeping legislation establishing Social Security or Medicare with no minority party support. Imagine banning guns with no pub support.

    And Obama and demos wonder why there is such outrage at Obamacare. It is not just the lies, but pubs had absolutely zero input.

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