San Francisco Airport Uses Tax-payer Funds To Construct Prayer Space For Muslims

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    "Lemon" doesn't apply against Islam, is the takeaway. In fact, I'm at a loss for an example of state action favoring Islamic religious practice ever having been deemed a violation of the Establishment Clause under "Lemon". Not saying it has never happened, but it sure has never happend prominently.
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    Installing a hand-sanitizer pump wouldn't have been more beneficial for everyone?

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    Your issue is with the way the article classified it?

    Look at the actual action of the airport: they installed a spigot. I'm willing to bet that there is nothing there saying "Holy Muslim spigot" and that the airport authority wouldn't try to stop you from turning on the spigot as a non-Muslim if you really wanted to.
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    Y'know, I have a feeling that you're not going to have a lot of non-Muslims lining up to find out what would happen if they were to use the Great and Secular Spigot in any but the most humbly and religiously appropriate way.
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    Since prior to this they were apparently using the bathroom sink, I would guess (I don't know, but seems reasonable) that other people using the spigot is probably not a huge deal.
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    You lose the "practicality" argument as soon as you suggest this is a general purpose wash area.

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    The sinks weren't "theirs". The spigot will be, in every possible way except name. Let's go to the airport and see -- will any non-muslim cabbies or other patrons be stooping at the most sacred of spigots to try to wash a coffee stain out of their shirt, or refill a water bottle? Lawl. Sure they will. Because it's just like the sinks! No, they won't, because they'll be wary of getting their ass beat down.
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    Why?

    The Muslim cab drivers have a need for water, this previously required them to enter the terminal. Everyone benefits (i.e., faster cab line, not having people washing their feet in the bathroom sink, etc.) by providing a spigot in the garage.

    If someone else has a need for water in the parking garage without having to go in the terminal, their ability to use this spigot as well doesn't change the fact that not making the cab drivers go inside is more convenient for everybody.
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    Ben, because of the line "if someone else has a need for water in the parking garage." I don't honestly believe you typed that with a straight face.

    What are we thinking here, 1% usage for other purposes? Maybe 0.5%?

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    It's no less conceivable than the idea that people may need to use the airport chapel for non-religious reasons. I have never really needed a spigot in a parking garage, but I have never really had a need to go kneel in front of a bench with a stained glass window behind it in an airport for any nonreligious reason (or any reason at all actually) either.

    Is it the airport authority being accomodating in each case? Sure. But you're welcome to do something else with the accomodation in each case too, no matter how unlikely anyone actually wanting to do so may be in either case.
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    i know i'd gladly trade a nice air conditioned chapel probably with padded pews for a parking garage with a metal bench and the lovely smell of cab drivers feet. just to get at those damn muslims.
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    I don't think a "center for quite reflection and meditation" constitutes a religious facility.

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    Which also plainly isn't what it is. My point is that the "center for quiet reflection" - which just so happens to have an alter, pews, stained glass, and prayer benches typically - is, at the very least, just as much of a religious accomodation as a spigot in the parking garage is.

    But we turn our heads, say that other people are free to use them too, and let people go about their business with the accomodation in each case.
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    No it's not, that's not even remotely close to the same thing, and even if it was "religious" in nature, it would accommodate more than just Christians (ever heard of the Baughman Center? Think just Christians go here? Do you consider that a religious building?)

    Again, the issue here is that a specific religion is being promoted/sponsored here, I'm not sure how you work your way around that.

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    no it won't, there is nothing holy about the spigot. All they need is clean water, not blessed water. Hence why water from the bathroom sink or bottled water did the trick.

    As for any specific room to pray in, they don't need one. They carry their pray rugs and only need to face Mecca and pray 5 times a day.
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    There's nothing distinctly religious about a spigot either. Why is a chapel there? Largely because Christian people want there to be. Why is there a spigot there? Largely because Muslim people want there to be. That's my point.
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    People petitioned the airport for a reasonable accomodation. The airport agreed for a number of reasons, none to do with endorsing a religion. Indeed, its seems like the airport wanted to keep them away from the regular bathrooms to make other people happy too. To me, such accomodation isnt much different than a school letting someone use the cafeteria for an afterschool FCA meeting (or any other group). Its a reasonable accomodation, and not one that specifically favors one religion over another. A water spigot or empty room don't endorse a religion.
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    What people are missing is they were already praying outside in the garage where they park their cabs. Walking inside to wash up and back outside to pray. Putting in the spigot keeps them from coming inside the airport. That is all.
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapel
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