Russia snaps up Kerry's proposal for Syria to turn over arms

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by Row6, Sep 9, 2013.

  1. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    Questioning and challenging a position are different than staking out a position in opposition to anything the President - whoever he is - says or does, to the extent of relishing perceived p.r. victories by people like Putin and Assad. I've got no problem with people vehemently disagreeing with Congressional approval of a resolution and any other position Obama may take, but let's hear the reasons for it that don't involve some political victory over the president, that by the way, couldn't be won at the polls.
  2. LittleBlueLW
    Offline

    LittleBlueLW Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    4,811
    Likes Received:
    668
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Ratings Received:
    +721 / 1 / -1
    Wow. Now the libbies want to kill brown skinned folks over something that happened in their country under their leader? What a 180 from when that evil pub was in office.

    I guess the difference is you guys see America under a Democratic President as the worlds Robinhood, whereas under a pub, America is a bully.

    Transparent indeed the liberal bunch is.
  3. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    Maybe you could be specific in your charge, because that doesn't make any sense.
  4. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,947
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +173 / 60 / -32
    nm
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 10, 2013
  5. HallGator
    Online

    HallGator Administrator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    41,971
    Likes Received:
    757
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Outer Limits
    Ratings Received:
    +2,206 / 35 / -8
    I think we are an interfering bunch of warmongers no matter which party is in office.
  6. gatorpa
    Offline

    gatorpa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2010
    Messages:
    6,966
    Likes Received:
    74
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    East Coast of FL
    Ratings Received:
    +271 / 9 / -1
    So the Red line drawn by treaty "almost 100 yrs ago" line huh, funny the US did not ratify that treaty until almost 50 yrs later. Where was the redline when Hussein gassed 100k of his own people.

    How are we sure Assad did it? Our intel like the WMD intel? Fool me once ......you know the rest.
  7. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,947
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +173 / 60 / -32
    Gasing the Kurds took place March 16, 1988. Your hero, Ronald Reagan was president then and he was the one who supplied Saddam with the sarin and mustered gas.
    What a mistake that was.
  8. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    Do you mean when Saddam gassed Iranians with our knowledge or later when he gassed the Kurds, probably assuming we were cool with that. The former at least was limited to the battlefield, though it n is illegal there as well. The latter should have resulted in whatever punishment we could practically meet out. Just as in Syria however, there are many measures available between missile strikes and invasion.

    As to Intel, obviously Bush was eager to engage with Iraq. Just as obviously, Obama is reluctant to engage Syria, thus logically you can assume the validity of the Intel based on motives. The French and British have their own sources who are equally convinced of the source of the gas.
  9. diehardgator1
    Offline

    diehardgator1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    6,506
    Likes Received:
    108
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +195 / 4 / -2

    Can you provide a link where RR "SUPPLIED" mustard gas
  10. tideh8rGator
    Offline

    tideh8rGator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    3,212
    Likes Received:
    30
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +87 / 19 / -12
    More like "even a broken clock is right twice a day".

    problem with obsama is that his broken clock always says it's Thirteen O'Clock. In other words, he lives in a fantasy world of his own (and other liberals') imagination. They never get it right because their whole world-view starts wrong from the beginning.
  11. corpgator
    Offline

    corpgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2010
    Messages:
    6,049
    Likes Received:
    138
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +531 / 33 / -5
    We should have set up a meeting with them?
  12. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    Maybe a pot luck. "Mete out".
  13. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    So, you don't have a thought in your head about this issue beyond your obsession with Obama? What is it?
  14. wargunfan
    Offline

    wargunfan Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2010
    Messages:
    4,578
    Likes Received:
    149
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Inside your head.
    Ratings Received:
    +185 / 2 / -2
    Well, as of right now I want Obama to thump Assad thoroughly with about... oh say...360 cruise missiles and then tell Putin: "OK, now let's talk about what's left of the chemical weapons". That is how we should answer Putin's demand that we fore swear the use of force. That is what Putin will understand.
  15. chompalot
    Offline

    chompalot Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,947
    Likes Received:
    80
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +173 / 60 / -32
    Not only mustard but sarin, too.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-153210/Rumsfeld-helped-Iraq-chemical-weapons.html

    Rumsfeld was working at RR's behest during the time that this happened.

    Also under RR the US helped Saddam as he gassed Iranians. http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/25/secret_cia_files_prove_america_helped_saddam_as_he_gassed_iran
  16. Lawdog88
    Offline

    Lawdog88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    29,693
    Likes Received:
    431
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Inside the War Room, No Name City, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +1,150 / 34 / -23

    Well, Assad's "unacceptable behavior" seems to be morally tolerable with everybody else, including all of the 98% of all of humanity who have agreed with the "no more gas" international treaty.

    And, nobody has even dared conceive a plan to hold him criminally liable for his war crimes.

    It's not our job to teach the world our view of acceptable morality, through the use of war-like military strikes . . . as if in one of the most ultimate ironies, that actually could.
  17. cocodrilo
    Online

    cocodrilo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    10,701
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +393 / 13 / -19
    And the incredible irony is that the American people are the last ones to see it. I guess it's because Americans are taught, from the time they can walk, talk, and sing The Star-Spangled Banner (about war, what else), that we're always at war because America is "exceptional." Well, that's for damn sure.
  18. Row6
    Offline

    Row6 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2009
    Messages:
    15,997
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +26 / 0 / -0
    It's pretty obvious that the "tolerance" of the 98% (well not quite those numbers) is fueled by exhaustion from the colossally unwise overreaction of the Iraq war, rather than a clear eyed assessment of the present moral threat and an appropriate response.

Share This Page