Russia firing artillery at Ukraine military targets

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    Obama administration officials said Thursday that Russia is firing artillery from its own territory into Ukraine to hit Ukrainian military sites, pointing to escalating Russian involvement in the deadly conflict.

    "This clearly is a military escalation," Pentagon spokesman Col. Steve Warren said, adding there is no question that Russian military -- as opposed to Russia-backed separatists -- are firing the shots.

    State Department spokeswoman Marie Harf first made the accusation during a press briefing earlier Thursday. She also claimed Moscow is boosting its military shipments to pro-Russian separatists.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...firing-artillery-at-ukraine-military-targets/
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    and obama has yet to say a damned word- it came out around 3 and since then he has talked about his free throw shooting
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    Time for the EU to step up. Its their backyard not ours.
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    96- the leader(and I use that term extremely loosely) of the free world needs to make a statement condemning these actions and telling Putin to reign it in- but we know that he will not do that-the guy is not only a poor excuse for a leader he is a casper milk toast
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    Why?

    I really don't care if he ever mentions what is going on in Ukraine. I would be happier if he paid attention to what is going on inside our borders.
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    a true leader needs to do both
    we cannot survive as an isolationist nation-the rest of the world looks to the US to lead
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    they shouldn't, they need to start taking care of themselves. America can be economic partners with everyone but when it comes to military action. Stay out. What is happening in Ukraine does not affect our borders.
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    and what does it matter, anything he says, you will piss on it.

    I am not a fan of they guy but I think he is doing what a Majority of Americans want him to do, and that is very little.
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    When the pollsters asked whether the U.S should do more to counter Russian aggression in Ukraine, only 17 percent of likely voters said yes. Another 34 percent said America should be less involved, while 31 percent backed the Obama administration’s current approach.

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    am in this group
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    Maybe because the US signed a treaty assuring Ukraine they would be supported when they agreed to dismantle their nukes
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    This is where it becomes dicey. We, along with Russia and the UK, were signatories to the treaty. Now one of those countries who signed off on it are attacking the country they agreed to help according to the article. Once again we see ourselves on the brink of another military confrontation.
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    Obama won't to chit and we all know it.
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    Which of the 6 commitments in that treaty do you think is applicable here?

    Here are all 6 if you aren't familiar with them:

    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to respect the Independence and Sovereignty and the existing borders of Ukraine.


    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their obligation to refrain from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine, and that none of their weapons will ever be used against Ukraine except in self-defense or otherwise in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations.


    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by Ukraine of the rights inherent in its sovereignty and thus to secure advantages of any kind.


    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to seek immediate United Nations Security Council action to provide assistance to Ukraine, as a non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, if Ukraine should become a victim of an act of aggression or an object of a threat of aggression in which nuclear weapons are used.


    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm, in the case of the Ukraine, their commitment not to use nuclear weapons against any non-nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, except in the case of an attack on themselves, their territories or dependent territories, their armed forces, or their allies, by such a state in association or alliance with a nuclear weapon state.


    The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland will consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments.
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    Russia has violated a lot of this already. There is no real enforcement or penalty set forth for violation, just the obligatory notion that the parties will 'consult'.
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    Well, if we want to go into a full brinkmanship mode then maybe we can get Putin to blink, but this isn't Cuba. In the end it is still about the EU and its need for Russian energy. Do they see an expansionist agenda from Putin or that he merely wants a compliant Ukrainian government? My guess is that they are betting on the latter and Ukraine's "freedom" will be short lived. They are just in a crappy location, geographically speaking.
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    The green revolution and AGW fanatics have made the EU Putin's personal biatch
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    Why would Russia be afraid of the countries in the EU, none come close to the 2.5 % of GDP for defense spending that is mandated by NATO membership. The United States isn't in the position to forward deploy heavy forces to Europe like we had in the 1980s.
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    The problem is that he doesn't give a damn what is happening inside or outside our borders. It interferes with his fund-raising, basketball and golf excursions.
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