Ronald Reagan's Benghazi

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    Since it seems you can never have too many Benghazi threads, I thought I would just leave this here. It's a nice contrast between Congress actually engaging in a meaningful and useful investigation, and Congress just dragging things on forever in the hopes that maybe they haven't yet beaten all the possible political points out of the dead horse.

    http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/ronald-reagans-benghazi.html

    "There were more than enough opportunities to lay blame for the horrific losses at high U.S. officials’ feet. But unlike today’s Congress, congressmen did not talk of impeaching Ronald Reagan, who was then President, nor were any subpoenas sent to cabinet members. This was true even though then, as now, the opposition party controlled the majority in the House. Tip O’Neill, the Democratic Speaker of the House, was no pushover. He, like today’s opposition leaders in the House, demanded an investigation—but a real one, and only one. Instead of playing it for political points, a House committee undertook a serious investigation into what went wrong at the barracks in Beirut. Two months later, it issued a report finding “very serious errors in judgment” by officers on the ground, as well as responsibility up through the military chain of command, and called for better security measures against terrorism in U.S. government installations throughout the world.

    In other words, Congress actually undertook a useful investigation and made helpful recommendations. The report’s findings, by the way, were bipartisan. (The Pentagon, too, launched an investigation, issuing a report that was widely accepted by both parties.)

    In March of 1984, three months after Congress issued its report, militants struck American officials in Beirut again, this time kidnapping the C.I.A.’s station chief, Bill Buckley. Buckley was tortured and, eventually, murdered. Reagan, who was tormented by a tape of Buckley being tortured, blamed himself. Congress held no public hearings, and pointed fingers at the perpetrators, not at political rivals.

    If you compare the costs of the Reagan Administration’s serial security lapses in Beirut to the costs of Benghazi, it’s clear what has really deteriorated in the intervening three decades. It’s not the security of American government personnel working abroad. It’s the behavior of American congressmen at home.

    The story in Beirut wasn’t over. In September of 1984, for the third time in eighteen months, jihadists bombed a U.S. government outpost in Beirut yet again. President Reagan acknowledged that the new security precautions that had been advocated by Congress hadn’t yet been implemented at the U.S. embassy annex that had been hit. The problem, the President admitted, was that the repairs hadn’t quite been completed on time. As he put it, “Anyone who’s ever had their kitchen done over knows that it never gets done as soon as you wish it would.” Imagine how Congressman Issa and Fox News would react to a similar explanation from President Obama today."
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    "Anyone who gets his kitchen done..."

    Really?

    Troubling...
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    if the shoe fits .......
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    *drops the mic*
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    Yeah, I suspect if Congress actually issued a report with recommendations on how to fix the errors that resulted in Benghazi, the administration didn't do anything with them, and then three months after the report came out it happened again (what the Buckley situation was) you would probably have Obama blame himself as well...
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    That ship sailed with the blatant fabrications in the immediate aftermath and the refusal to answer pretty straightforward questions ever since. Reagan blamed himself. Obama blamed a video with 10^5 views at the time.
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    In 1984, terrorists launched several attacks on US installments in Beirut. Reagan and other officials accepted the blame for lack of preparedness for both the initial and subsequent attacks, cooperated with Congress to investigate and prepare better safety plans.

    In 2012, terrorists launched an attack on US installment in Libya. Obama administration blames a video, withholds information from investigators, continued to obfuscaste, "what difference does it matter," etc.

    Yeah, pretty much the same thing.
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    Maybe Republicans can start hoping Benghazi happens over and over again (which is, essentially, what Reagan's Beirut debacle was) to see how many times it has to happen for Obama to blame himself.

    In the case of Reagan, the answer was three (embassy bombing, barracks bombing, Buckley kidnapping). Over or under? Of course when it happened again for the fourth time Reagan backtracked from that strategy and blamed slow contractors, so...
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    It's quite clear to everyone that the Benghazi obsession is politically motivated and nothing else.

    There have been numerous examples from Reagan through Dubya showing the hypocrisy.
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    Does anyone have a clue as to what this administration is doing to bring the terroists to justice that attacked and killed the 4 American's in Benghazi? We know that the FBI did not even go to Benghazi for weeks after the attack.
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    I also think it's worth mentioning that in a Post 9/11 world, terrorism is simply viewed differently. It's just not the same anymore. Of course reactions are different now, the settings and circumstances are different.
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    I believe there is some law that is tying the hand of the military which is ready to go get one or more of the cretins who are living openly in Lydia.

    Our do nothing congress refused to address the issue.

    WRT the FBI it wasn't safe for them to go in.
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    the point of the article is taken, and the deflections speak to that

    this Republican House is more interested in political theater than saving lives or helping the American people
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    The difference as I see is is that (D)s made it political from the start (very convenient IMO that it was all blamed on a right-wing, Christian group's movie - in the midst of a Presidential election where (D)s were trying to portray (R)s as extreme).
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    The republican hose can do nothing about Benghazi, this is Obama's problem.
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    If this Administration had been more forthcoming and helpful from the beginning, this isn't even a "fake scandal" at this point. They brought this upon themselves by not just going along with it to begin with, in my opinion. They only made themselves appear as if they were hiding things by childishly trying to shut the whole thing down and not giving the Republicans even an ounce of respect in the beginning. Per usual, this administration's notorious divisiveness and ability to read along party lines only comes back to hurt them.
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    Right. Obama never took responsibility.

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    There's a difference between saying, "I'm responsible, " and actually taking responsibility.
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    You guys are both political about everything and now one side wants to act all "shocked" by partisanship. Nonsense, as is the premise of the article which fails to note how different the political climate was in the 80s.
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    I don't think so. I think at this point, the Republicans have nothing lose as far as the general public is concerned, and the Democrats have a lot to lose if what's-his-name Gowdy comes up with anything.

    This administration has done everything in its power from early to claim this is a "fake scandal," and as I said, it's only made them look all the more suspicious. If they had nothing to hide we would've finished this thing a year ago with no conclusive findings. But this Administrations continues to keeps its doors closed with very little transparency and it only fuels the Republicans fire to want to find something.
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