Right now, USCe resembles way more of a football university than UF

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    Hyperbole?
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    Delicious, isn't it?
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    Sure, just don't see him as all that bad at SC. Couldn't beat Meyer seems about it.
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    becasue Shaw was having an off game.
    He missed several wide open receivers including two in the end zone.
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    beat him Meyers first year and was a blocked field goal from beating him the year we won the NC
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    True, SOS said as much many times, perhaps that's why his record against UGA is so much better than that against SOW. Admittedly SOW was better than UGA for many of those years.
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    Also when Spurrier was the UF coach FSU was at the top of its game.
    Mickey ANdrews had three deep at every position with some of the greatest defenses ever in college football.
    That said Spurrier gave Bowden as much losses as anyone else.
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    SOS would have beaten Ga Southern by 2-3 TD's with Forrest Gump at QB.
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    And yet he barely beat the team that lost to Georgia Southern by five points (one less than GSU) at home a year after getting crushed by 33 points at The Swamp...

    Not the best logic, Raid...
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    Its not logic its a fact.

    Spurrier lost to 1 or 2 unranked teams in 12 years at UF>

    Muschamp has done way more than that this year alone
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    Torches and pitchforks are simply too little too late.
    After the Georgia Southern loss somebody should have been burned at the stake.
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    Again, I understand the frustration, but how does that address how we should (or should not) support the team now and next season?
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    I agree with the history, but you didn't answer the question. If SOS struggled to beat Florida at HOME with a healthy lineup, what makes you think that he would have come down to Gainesville from Columbia a week prior to the game, pulled a very fast, slow-witted guy out of Santa Fe CC, put him at QB and beat Georgia Southern by 2-3 touchdowns? Why did he struggle so badly against Florida? Connor Shaw's most productive play was the 3d and long run for a first down.

    What SOS did over a decade ago at Florida has little to no relevance to what he would do with a team that lost 19 starters. He never had anywhere NEAR the attrition and injuries on any of his teams that Florida had this year. He isn't even the same type of coach. His offenses at USCe are generally poor. It is his defense that is the foundation of his team.

    That said, I do think SOS would have beaten Georgia Southern, but that is due to getting the team ready to play, not because of any genius on the sidelines. Muschamp clearly didn't have the team ready to play, and there is NO excuse for that.
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    Ga So lost over 20 starters as well.
    Look to point at one game and say because Muschamp played them close means we were as good doesn't work for me.
    IF you look at close games all our games were close last year. Does that mean Lousiann Lafaeete was almost as good as UF last year?
    I look at the body of work not one game. SPurrier has it and Muschamp at this time does not.
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    All correct, and perhaps two of Bowden's most stinging losses 97 Sugar Bowl & 97 at Florida Field.
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    Spurrier is that blocked FG shy of going 3-3 versus Meyer while at USC...
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    SOS was 2-4 against Meyer. That includes some of the most talented teams in UF history, 2 of which won the BCS championship. He is 2-1 against Muschamp and 4-5 overall against UF.

    People point to WM's 11-2 record in 2012 as proof he's a great coach. SOS was 11-2 in 2011 and 2012, and is 10-2 this year. At South Carolina! South Carolina was a perennial doormat, and a losing program, prior to SOS! South Carolina's recruiting ground is the Gobi desert compared to Florida's. Yet most Gators who think WM, who just went 4-8, is a great coach, but don't think SOS is a great coach anymore. Go figure.

    Meyer took over an Ohio State team that was 6-7 after losing to Muschamp and UF in a Gator Bowl matchup of 6-6 teams. In the three years since he's been here, Muschamp has gone 22-16. Many Gators complain that's because Meyer didn't leave him any talent. Meyer is 24-0 after inheriting a 6-7 Ohio State team that didn't have enough talent to beat a 7-6 WM-coached UF team. From the same starting point, WM has brought UF down to 4-8. Compare those two coaching performances and figure out which coach is the great coach.

    Which schools look like great programs and which school looks like just another also-ran.
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    GSU didn't lose 20 starters. Get real. Besides, that is not my point. You didn't answer my question: Why did SOS nearly lose to a severely damanged Florida team at HOME with the SEC East on the line?"

    And when anyone uses the "it" factor, it tells me that there is nothing concrete to support a position. It basically means "I just KNOW!" To many here, Chris Leak didn't have "it," either...

    It was a 52-yarder. We have no idea if he would have made it or not. It's not like it was a chip shot. People take for granted that the FG would have been made...
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    Amazing post.

    Not sure why people contort themselves to make excuses for Muschamp.

    It's more than injuries or anything else. It's about building a program and the hundreds of small decisions in recruiting, staff hiring, roster management, the way you decide to use your limited practice time, creating competition for positions, etc.

    Those two programs you mentioned are in great shape and are very stable, really without the benefit of tons of super star talent. Carolina won't ever have an all star cast and urban is ramping up now. But they have great management.

    I don't think we're making the right decisions on all those little matters and therefore we're not heading down the right path. Our program has very few dominant athletes and we do little with the ones we have. Because of that we are extremely unstable.

    The best sign of a good coach (program builder), like a ships captain, is consistency and stability.
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    That blocked field goal was kicked by someone who has been kicking on Sundays for years. I consider it pretty lucky, but not nearly as lucky as Auburn UGA this year.

    Mike Davis is pretty obviously hurt and probably played more than he should when their second best bask, Wilds, was out for most of the year.

    SC is a VERY young team. Outside of Shaw, it appears they won't lose anyone else on offense who isn't EASILY replaceable this year. They have just one guard as a senior and that's it for the O. Their wildcat QB pretty much threw a bomb for a TD that was taken away by a stupid ref, which would have been that frosh's 2nd TD pass of the game I believe. Lot of talent coming back on that offense.

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