Reviving the ‘Successful Surge’ Myth

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    Good stuff. Thanks.

    In my unscientific opinion, if the US were to force the utilization our NG reserves we'd see NG prices increases due to radically increased demand. Also, from my understanding there is a lot of NG around the globe, so I suspect that the US's utilization efforts will spur technological advances that will be adopted and we'd see global NG utilization, global demand increase, global price increase, and... ...commoditization.

    As Dave pointed out, outside the box will be required. We basically need a non-transportable energy supply. Any and all types of renewables coupled with large-scale, cheap, and efficient energy storage would make us truly independent. Obviously, we're not there, yet.
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    Not changing the topic at all, its always about oil. If I knew how to meet energy demand without using oil, or at least some oil, I would have more money than Bill Gates.

    We do need more electric car charging stations, nuclear generators, and explore natural gas options a lot more. But the oil infrastructure (gas stations) is already in place and gas is not high enough (yet) to get us off the pot.
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    I couldn't agree more, pretty spot on IMO.
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    Well, then the way you refuted my assertion certainly seems confusing now...

    Anyway, yes EVs would be a wonderful first step. Replacing our national fleet of gas tanks with a fleet of battery banks is a tremendous amount of energy storage right there.
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    exile that is what I was saying- I am not a big proponent of wind power or electric cars but do think solar and nuclear are very viable options to supplement all the LNG we have
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    Why not EVs?
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    Thanks. I'd also like to reiterate that while I'm saying all this, I simultaneously am in favor of responsibly expanding domestic oil/NG production. We can't do much about being held hostage to global events, but we can give more money to domestic firms and domestic workers. One just can't be near sided and believe this to be a real fix - only but a bandade to slow the bleeding for the time being.
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    1- safety- all the EV's are little POS cars- if you are in one of those and run into me with my F-150 I like my chances a lot better than yours
    2- power- I like my get up and go with my big ole honkin F-150
    3- comfort- I am a big dude and do not feel at all comfortable in those little POS cars
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    I'm a little bit surprised the geothermal has not caught on better for homes and other facilities. I know that there is some initial cost and not sure of the payback period. My former bass had it put in for a huge house he had built but I was not around long enough to find out if he was actually happy with it. I think he got mad at me when he said his electric bills would be under $100/mo. for a 5000 sq. ft. house and I had a problem keeping a straight face.
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    I've refuted these so many times, I'll save my keystrokes.

    So instead: Why, Bill, when within the same thread you speak of thinking outside the box and recognize the limitations of oil and national security, do you completely dismiss a technology of which we're staring down the barrel at a real game-changing type of revolution?

    I can't believe it's simply because there currently isn't an electric F-150 on the market, can it? I mean, you just showed so much insight AND foresight to our real problems - why dismiss such a real solution? Because it isn't perfect right now?
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    Agreed. I'd love to see heat pumps continue to come down in price.

    You're hitting on probably the biggest topic: Conservation: this is the low hanging fruit.
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    I always favored conservation and in fact my family and myself live our lives that way. Now if we only had garden season year long in the Garden State. :)
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    The only way as I see it (and impossible given the grip of these industries over government) would be some kind of draconian measure that essentially requires that all oil, ng and/or coal produced in this country be refined and used or stored in this country. In short, once and if you can get that kind of domestic production, take it off the world market and make it an exclusively domestic one. Again, not saying this is possible and I'm sure it's wrought with potential hurdles.
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    Come on Bill, you're better than this (gross generalization). If there's a will (electric F-150 w/150mph top end and plenty of torque) there's a way.
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    What about Tahitian Treat, instead?

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