Retards are worth $2 an hour

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  1. busigator96

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    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/...ould-work-for-2-youre-worth-what-youre-worth/

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    Schiff argued that eliminating the minimum wage law would allow more people entry to the workforce, and Bee asked him to identify someone whose work might be worth just $2 an hour.
    “You know someone that might be? Maybe someone who is – what’s the politically correct word, you know, for mentally retarded,” Schiff said. “I believe in the principles this country was founded on.”
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    that's pretty tasteless. sheesh.

    it's really odd how some people get it so wrong, or make it up as they go....i don't have any idea....about 'the principles this country was founded on'
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    The country was *not* founded on paying labor for more than the value that labor contributes in the workplace. Jack up the minimum wage much higher and you can forget minors (with various work restrictions), and fewer positions for physically and mentally disabled people as well. It's pretty borderline for many if McDonald's or Target is getting their $7.67 out of them as it is. Harsh but true.
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    For fast food workers alone we pay 7 billion in welfare benefits so that they can survive.
    Those that talk about the free market seem more than happy to let the government subsidize their profits.
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    you got that somewhere in the constitution or any founding documents?

    if a mentally or physically challenged person can do a certain, MINIMUM wage job as well as a person not afflicted, then obviously they deserve the same wage.

    minimum wage increases are good for the economy. because that money gets pumped back in, not sheltered in an off shore account.
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    Programs that create a permanent underclass (minimum wage, lifestyle welfare status), followed by whining about the plight of the permanent underclass. Wonderful.
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    you just don't get it, sometimes.
    raise the wages to a living wage. it goes back into the economy. more people can buy things. good for the economy. less dependency on government, having a living wage.
    and if costco can pay its workers a living wage, so can mcdonalds and walmart.
    period.
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    this all goes back to the rightwing theory that you can just 'trust business' to do what's right, without any regulation.

    riiiiiiiiiiight.
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    Uh, do you? The bit about private parties having to overpay for labor just... because?

    The MINIMUM wage job at a retail big box store for instance might include lifting heavy objects, walking or standing long periods of time, stocking shelves, straightening selves, returning unpurchased items, changing pricing labels, etc. That is the amount of work that the store is meant to be getting from its worker-est bees in exchange for the mandated minimum wage. But there are many people who can't do some or all of these, sometimes for regulatory nonsense reasons (like employees under 18), and sometimes because they genuinely can't do most of them.

    If as an employer, relying on the success of the business commercially for your own livelihood, you have a choice of paying the full wage of the labor for much less than its full value, the full scope of the job, or just not making that hire, which would you do? Should you do, especially when you consider the legal obligations one might have as a business entity to investors and creditors?

    Terrible for the economy, because it comes out in a wash for the amount of money it costs the people making the minimum wage just to live on. And that's for starters. Idiotic economics.
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    The rightwing theory is that society will be what it will be and the only legitimate function of government is to preserve the freedom of that society, actually.
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    that's not realistic. and it's never gonna happen. and it's an archaic belief to think today's society could function that way.

    so no workplace safety rules, corporations can poison our water and air, children can work in coal mines. very very glad that only a tiny minority hold that view.
    what's with the 1800's mindset?
    harsh? yeah that's an understatement
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    yeah. trickle down is just so effective.
    keeping the money here, so it gets pumped back into the economy works.
    if people can buy your product, due to having a living wage, that should improve your business prospects, correct? you have more people able to afford what you're selling.
    when the cost of living goes up, then wages (stands to reason) have to go up. or else you've got people who are more dependent on government, which you people don't like. you can't have your cake and eat it too. i don't feel sorry for big business like mcdonalds or walmart, seeing how successful that costco is, in being a 'good' employer.


    costco's business model is better than walmarts: less turnover. a lot less turnover. which means less time spent hiring, or training..etc etc
    not everyone can go to college. not everyone can be in the one percent. not everyone can be in the upper 20% for that matter.
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    i never said it was part of the founding documents. or founding mindset. i said, with today's society, your ideas are outdated.

    so you think people picking crops don't deserve a lot of money because they're not college grads.
    how much are those people worth to a corporate farm if the shit is left to rot on the vine?
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    Such typical and baldly histrionic argument, I'm sorry -- rules preventing direct harm to people, effects that are already subject to civil liability are NOT a moral or intellectual justification for rules mandating economic idiocy like determining the value of labor on what sounds compassionate that day. But you can't defend those rules, so enter the strawman.
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    I think people picking crops don't deserve more money for picking crops than the value of the crops picked yield in a profit-making enterprise for their employer. The only thing picking crops is worth is the price at which one is willing to pick them and another is willing to pay for them picked. College education has nothing to do with it. And if you want to complain about devaluing a college education, look no further than the leftist attitude that every single person should go to college. 100% of the cause.
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    strawman? but you said in your above post that "The rightwing theory is that society will be what it will be and the only legitimate function of government is to preserve the freedom of that society, actually." preserving the freedom of society? that's it? no, no strawman argument. you're saying no EPA, to protect water/air, no OSHA for workplace safety. did you happen to read about those good ol' days, when if you hurt yourself on the job, well, you were pretty much just screwed.
    so, i'm addressing a statement you made regarding government functions. no strawman.


    if that's the rightwing theory..well it's really not, it's the far far rightwing theory. MOST republicans like a lot of what the government does, especially when you point out what all it does.
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    there is certainly a culture of dependency among some, but the larger issue is the lost of the middle class - there are no jobs to move up to. That is what needs to get fixed.
    In today's economy though, the options are to roll back programs many hard working people depend on to live (and which isn't going to happen), keep the status quo and subsidize it anyway via an inefficient government, or pay more for a burger. I don't eat fast food almost ever, but if I did, I would pay 50 cents for my value meal knowing it was money I was paying either way and this way they feel self sufficient, but that's just me.
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    we don't think everyone should go to college. not everyone WANTS to go to college. we think that the OPPORTUNITY to go to college should be available to most everyone. quite a difference. the president has (on many occasions) mentioned TRADE SCHOOLS (you know, not exactly 'college'...)
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    IF...we actually did operate on the basis of your rightwing theory of government, we'd be nothing but another third world toilet.

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