Rand Paul begins his move to the right

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    Sucks, because I had high hopes for him, but I guess I'll have to keep voting third party.


    "At a lunch Friday with about a dozen evangelical pastors in a Cedar Rapids hotel, the younger Paul assured the group that he disagrees with libertarians who support legalizing drugs. When one pastor inquired about ideological ties between Paul and his father, the senator asked that he be judged as his own man.

    Paul said he believes in freedom and wants a “virtuous society” where people practice “self-restraint.” Yet he believes in laws and limits as well. Instead of advocating for legalized drugs, for example, he pushes for reduced penalties for many drug offenses.

    “I’m not advocating everyone go out and run around with no clothes on and smoke pot,” [Rand] said. “I’m not a libertarian. I’m a libertarian Republican. I’m a constitutional conservative.”

    “He made it very clear that he does not support legalization of drugs like marijuana and that he supports traditional marriage,” [said Brad Sherman of the Solid Rock Christian Church in Coralville, Iowa]."


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    Well, having ambition within the GOP means courting those people.
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    Yep, but at the expense of losing people like me. Guess that's his choice.
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    I sure hope losing his Dad's respect was worth it, too.
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    Well, as long as well-organized and reliable voting Christians outnumber non-commited disorganized random dudes in the GOP, this will continue to happen. :grin:
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    Rand's actually been like this for a while. I much prefer the valor and consistency of his father.
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    You had me pegged until you said GOP :)
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    Sure, everyone likes the guy with firmer principles. But moving a party in one direction has to be done by people like Rand, not Ron. People are easier to move if you reassure them you share their concerns rather than telling them why they are wrong. You have a better chance of swaying them, or having their support on other goals.
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    Exactly ... you're not a Republican, Rand is, so are the Christians. Not sure why he'd be courting you and not them. That's all I'm saying. :grin:
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    Libertarians are swimming in a fairly shallow pool if they just assume that one can't be libertarian and still think that a society is as healthy as it is virtuous -- it just has to come from ourselves and our communities, not the force of government. In this, there is no per se contradiction between libertarianism and religious/social conservatism from a values standpoint. Libertarian =/= libertine.
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    Exactly. So rather than try and court the libertarian youth, which is growing larger by the day, the GOP will continue it's death march courting Christians and social conservatives. Oh well...
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    What exactly did he say that was particularly objectionable from a liberty standpoint? Do you disagree that there is a better quality of person you can get out of restraint from drug use, for instance? Is "libertarian" just the word young libertines adopt to identify themselves politically in a society that stubbornly insists they eventually conduct themselves responsibly? Maybe; both traditional liberal and conservative notions pretty much rest on young people becoming functional adults; conservatives expect them to be able to take care of themselves, liberals expect them to be able to take care of everybody else. But there is little market for wanton bon vivants.
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    could simply be an effort to raise money for future campaign
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    He's a Republican, and he needs to win the GOP primary. Until "libertarian youth" are a more substantial & organized voting block than organized Christians in the GOP, the political calculus is pretty obvious. But maybe that's what you don't like -the calculus. Ron Paul sure didnt, but his ceiling was like 15-20% of the vote. Breaking that ceiling means not being a hard-liner.
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    First off I do vehemently disagree that there is a better quality of person you can get from refrained drug use. But if you want to believe that is true than you probably also think that a better quality of person is derived from higher education. So the government should also probably mandate we all go to college. A higher quality of person is probably also derived from regular exercise. The govt better mandate we all work out 2 hours a day while they are at it.

    Point is it doesn't matter whether I agree with him or not. It's not the government's call to make.
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    Which is why I think the GOP is in such an interesting place. I don't think they can win without that organized 10-15% libertarian vote anymore. But they also can't win without the organized Christian vote. I think a lot of people are mistaken in the GOP if they think the libertarian movement is as shallow as simply voting for someone with the last name Paul.
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    What do you mean by "those people"? That's just racist code.

    It's amazing how smug the left is about accusing people of racism, but they are the masters of talking in code.
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    If this post is in jest, it's funny. If it is serious then it is absolutely hysterical.
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    actually its a code for one or more of the following
    ---racist
    ---uber religious wackjob
    ---a Ted Nugent type nutcase

    sure looks like the folk who are gathering in the POP tent...and driving others out of the party
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    From what I've gathered on this Board, by no means are all, or perhaps even most, Christians opposed to legalizing at least marijuana.

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