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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by gatorplank, Dec 9, 2013.
It wasn't the mothers choice to be raped.
But that has nothing to do with the life - and future - of the baby. Once you start down that road and allow for qualifications and/or exceptions, then you begin to make the other sides's argument for them. Bottom line: It's either murder - and all that entails - or not. If it's not, then you open the door to all kinds of exceptions. Which brings us back to square one.
Again, you see how this never ends. And who does that benefit?
This is why as a libertarian, even though I believe abortion is wrong in virtually case, I cannot and will not oppose a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy. It should remain her right to make her own choice - her own mistake x 2
The only time I think abortion might be at all excusable is if the mother's life is threatened by carrying a pregnancy to term. With the advances in modern medicine, those circumstances are extremely rare, possibly non-existent.
A prolife physicians group takes a harder line than I do and puts it this way:
I will add, even though it is an apparent contradiction to my thoughts above, if a woman is indeed the victim of a rape, and seeks medical assistance for evidence collection, pregnancy preventive measures, etc. - I have no moral objection to her taking the "morning after pill" within 6 to 12 hours of the attack on her person.
Pretty silly comment, even for you dreamliner.
No but if the argument is that it is murder in exactly the same way that killing an adult or a child that has been born would be, we would not excuse you killing a a person who had threatened to kill you's previously born child. You would need to prove some kind of psychotic break to get away with that.
If we are going to recognize that there is a difference between killing an adult or a born child and an unborn child/fetus, we would need to then state that it is not murder in the same sense.
No, liberal, let me think about it.
Life of the mother only. Why punish the child for the sin of the father? Which is worse, rape or murder?
Given a choice which would you rather be?
Edit. Let me clarify. Not that a gay gene would be a birth defect ( I have no problem with gays, flamers yes) but that they may be afraid.
Curious where you would state the line has to be drawn on "life of the mother?". If doctors say 1% chance of death? 25%? 50%? 100%?
15 out of 100,000 live births currently end in death for the mother.
So it's okay to euthanize a paraplegic?
Good question. Hadn't thought about it. You're talking about .00015% so it's very rare. My guess is those decisions would be very late in the pregnancy and almost 100% of those children would be wanted.
On a side note, the problem with "life of the mother" is an out for pro-choicers when the mother says she can't handle it mentally and threatens to commit suicide. Easy convenient out for the pro-choice crowd.
Did a thread on this before. Worth a watch from both sides. Will make you think your position.
Double dare you.
This sums it up to me as well. The only time I think that I should have at least a say in the matter is if I were the sperm donor.
I actually hadn't thought about it before either. "Life of the Mother" always just made sense as a fairly legitimate reason for abortion. I've never considered what does or doesn't qualify.
Any comments on sperm donors slipping abortion pills to the mother who mis-carried being charged with murder? One case going on in Tampa right now.
It's cited often (rape, incest, life of the mother) by pro-choicers to deflect even though all together it's about 1%.
Watch the video I posted please. You'll be captivated i promise. Interested in your thoughts.
Not equivalent since that is not her choice--that is another person drugging her to cause harm, I don't agree with a murder charge, unless he killed the woman. But I'd have to know more about the case.
How does that really figure in to the dilemma with respect to any established rights for the child. How does the mother being raped make the fetus the one who pays the price?