Project Earth: A Resource Based Economy Explained

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    This solution is certainly more practical than the "resource based economy". The latter would require, among other things, a complete overhaul of human nature.
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    As hard as people work in capitalism, achieving post-scarcity would entail a lot more work, and many people not seeing immediate benefit from it. I wonder how much people would sacrifice for generations they will never meet? Unless there is some sort of strong unifying ideology (like a religion), then it seems like the answer would be not much.
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    Exactly the point.

    The reason a market economy works is that it accounts for human nature.
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    Well, what it does is allows people the time to devote to the things you like.

    Three things seem to create the conditions under which humans do the best

    1.) Self Government
    2.) Applying the rule of law ti individual, government and business
    3.) A Market Economy

    Societies that create policies that create and strengthen those three conditions have time and money to devote to the things you like.
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    Here is a small step in the right direction then....what about getting rip of planned obscelesence? Why build stuff to break down wastefully and prematurly? Make cars last longer and and practically simplistic. What about cell phones not needing to get tossed after a year of use? What about upgrading them without creating additional waste in landfills. 40% of the materials used to build a home becomes waste post-construction. Maybe the most dangerous profession (construction) can be replaced by automation too for safety and conservation purposes. It would also take less time to complete.
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    Human nature, or current learned human behavior?
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    Would certainly cut out a lot of war and crime
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    There is nothing stopping anyone from doing all of those things now.
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    I think sustainability and renewablity is the *next* step, and in some ways its already happening. There does need to be a reassesment of the idea of efficiency and limitless growth as the guiding economic principle. But at the same time, you could possibly argue that this would be a step backwards in achieving post-scarcity, because that would mean less production, not more.
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    Good stuff. Distribution is a problem as well. Some places have better natural resources or a closer proximity to ports, etc. And all of this takes energy - I know we're using it now but this is part of the mix.
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    Profit before people is stopping it.
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    I am not sure there is a difference? If you mean that humans have learned how to be less violent and more cooperative over time, then I agree with "current learned human behavior." But one fundamental attribute of human behavior is to make a better life for oneself. At one time, that involved a lot of violence and less cooperation. A market economy seems to be one of the best ways for the largest number of humans to accomplish that goal.

    Here is a good article I like to trot out from time to time in these kinds of discussions;

    http://reason.com/archives/2012/01/11/the-decline-of-violence/4
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    Much of what we regard as "natural" or "human nature" is socialized behavior reinforced over time or simply a justification of existing practices and beliefs. Of course markets seem like "human nature" because that's all any of us have even known for many generations. Medieval men regarded feudalism as representative and accomdating of human nature too. We could regard any accepted practice as representing human nature.
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    Of course it is! There are solutions via renewable power that can be used today that would render petroleum obscelete (as fuel). Why is that? I doubt it is just the second law of thermodynamics.

    Here is a quote from Einstein: "
    "No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it."
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    Perhaps. But any time humans try a system that does not allow individuals to make a better life for themselves, that society does not typically do as well as one that does.
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    This is even true within developed countries. The concept of the "food desert" comes to mind.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert
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    The limitations of social progress lie solely within the mind of humanity. Our representative democracy today is really just a new name for medieval feudalism.
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    Indeed, nearly anything we regard as terrible today has been defended as "human nature" in the past - slavery, monarchy, the atrocities of war, etc.
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    Not being familiar at all with Star Trek, this sort of sounds like a 3D printer to me? Something that will be perfected in the near future.
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    Sort of (though Star Trek replicators could make (nonorganic) food & drink too), many people think 3D printers (and what follows) will revolutionize production.

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