"Prezbo" selectively enforces 0bamacare, so NO chance of a secure border on his watch

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    Heard Eric Cantor make this point on TV and he couldn't be more right: If 0bama can selectively cherry-pick how and when the Executive Branch is going to execute certain provisions of the (un)Affordable Care Act, what are the odds of him complying with a border security mandate included as a conditional component of an immigration reform act?

    ZERO, in my opinion. And by his doing this it sets a precedent that there is equally zero chance of a President Hillary ever locking down the border either. That is, unless she wants to publicly reject 0bama's line-item selective enforcement policy?
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    Obama should be impeached. He's a lawless community extortionist that thinks he's above the law.
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    Your first mistake was caring about what Eric Cantor thinks.
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    We have more border patrol agents than any time in American history.
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    Anyone who buys into enforcement promises by the gang of 8 bill has some serious 'typical gullible American voter' issues.
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    That are not allowed to enforce immigration laws due to executive order.

    All illegals have to say is "Obama is God" and the agents have to let then walk!

    Sorry, it's "I went to school in the US"!

    Executive orders you know!

    Number of agents is not the issue, securing the border is. You could have a million agents, if they are not allowed to enforce the laws, what's the difference.

    You could have 500,000 traffic cops in the city, but if they are told that they can't write a citation to anyone that smiles and is polite, what effect will those 500,000 officers have?

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    What difference does it make who raised the point? It's a good one. Your deflection prompts my old "Two Questions" bit. You know how it goes. One question is for now and the other is for later but as usual I'll ask both now.

    Question One: If 0bama can selectively enforce 0bamacare, what assurances do we have that he will enforce any border security mandate in an immigration reform bill?

    Question Two: Why can't you give us an honest, forthright response to Question One?
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    Oh. So are you suggesting that we shouldn't concern ourselves with whether 0bama would enforce a border security mandate in an immigration bill, because the truth is we don't have a border security issue that needs to be dealt with? Or if not then what was the point of your comment as it relates to the topic of the thread?
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    I don't know. Seems kind of ridiculous to claim that there's no border security under Obama when there's more agents than ever before.
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    More agents enforcing what?

    Your claim is completely baseless. More agents means absolutely nothing if they aren't allowed to enforce the laws!

    This is actually the whole problem with "immigration". A total lack of enforcement of current laws. If the border were secured and existing laws enforced (lawbreakers sent packing), instead of it bring politicized, there would be no immigration issue.

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    Unfortunately that's not even the solution. Why don't they talk about making businesses which hire illegals pay the price instead of having the public, cities, counties, and taxpayers nationally foot the bill? Seems to me they really don't want to "fix" anything.
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    Yeah, and you know what else seems kind of ridiculous, river? To make up a strawman argument by saying that someone is claiming that "there's no border security under 0bama." Who is claiming that?
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    Your thread title?

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    The best solution would be for self deportation ( no cost to US Taxpayers ) .

    Make it illegal to rent to "undocumented" people , fine and confiscate property of anyone who rents to an illegal .

    Make it illegal to hire an "undocumented" person , fine and confiscate property of anyone that hires an illegal .

    Children of "undocumented" people cannot attend our Schools .

    "Undocumented" people cannot receive care in our Hospitals .

    "Undocumented" people no longer can receive "public assistance" .

    The above steps would solve our illegal immigration problems real quick .
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    Oh. Well allow me to put your TOTALLY FAKE confusion to rest.

    Obviously we do have some border security now, in terms of border security agents. Maybe even more than ever before. But it's not enough, we still have a massive illegal immigration problem along that border. The term, "border security" as used in the headline of the thread meant border security as in a "secure border," which would be the goal of any border security mandate included in an immigration reform bill.

    The idea is, to address immigration reform we should deal with the illegal immigrants who are already here but also enact measures to prevent more of them from coming. The concern is that if we grant any form of amnesty or offer a "path to citizenship" to the illegals who are here, then we might get a huge flood of new ones trying to get in on the deal. So we need to secure the border before we start the process of legitimizing undocumented aliens.

    Get it now?

    Just to recap: Yes we do have border security when you use the term to refer to our border security agents, but we do not have border security when using the term literally to refer to a secure border. We do not have a secure border, so in that sense we do not have "border security" per se.

    And based on what has happened with 0bamacare, we should have no confidence that the 0bama Administration will enforce a border security measure (or secure border measure, if that's less confusing to you) that is included as a conditional component of an immigration reform bill. Should we?
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    Only way our border security matches what is required by the Senate bill is if we hire the Israelis to man the border.
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    That's not what the thread title says, River.
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    Rep.
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    What did they say in all the years Obama wasn't President? There is no real political will, Democrat or Republican, to enforce our borders. Both sides may have different reasons, but both sides don't really want to stop illegal immigrants from getting here.
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    LittleBlue, in all fairness I went back and changed the title after his post. You can see the "edit" note at the bottom of the OP. And now that the point's been clarified it appears that river has nothing further to offer on the topic.

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