prezBO could end it if he wanted to

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    http://blog.heritage.org/2013/10/04/mr-president-you-can-end-the-government-shutdown/?utm_source=heritagefoundation&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=&utm_content=&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

    from the blog
    Mr. President, here’s a five-point plan to end the government shutdown—using some of your favorite phrases.
    1. “Here’s the deal”: Have a serious conversation with congressional leadership to talk about the real issue driving the shutdown—the negative consequences of Obamacare. Quit giving us lengthy law school lectures about why you are right and then dismissing the class.
    2. “Let me be clear”: Mr. President, you’ve already delayed or repealed 14 provisions in Obamacare. Why are you unwilling to recognize how Obamacare has negatively impacted the American people? Certainly, it shouldn’t take wrecking the economy and putting bureaucrats between doctors and their patients. There is a better way.
    3. “It will not be easy”: The American people need a leader, not a lecturer.
    4. “Make no mistake”: Despite the fact that you claim Obamacare will lower premiums, expand coverage, and increase wellness, the evidence is overwhelmingly against you. Obamacare is raising premiums for most Americans, making it difficult for those out of work to find jobs, and cutting workers’ hours. The cost of Obamacare to the budget, the taxpayers, and to the future of health care in this country is too high.
    5. “Yes we can”: When a majority of Americans oppose your signature accomplishment and the implementation of the law isn’t working, it’s time for a different course. We can reform health care so that patients are in charge of their health care decisions.
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    Ummmm....the Tea Party did this. It's up to them to fix it.

    You know the old saying.....you break it, you fix (pay) for it.
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    Obama is president. Instead of sitting down with leadership and hammering something out, he was out campaigning and name calling yesterday. He is an extortionist. PERIOD
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    Of couse in giving a concession for the mere return of funding the government and paying the debt, he would also be fundamentally weakening the office for himself and future office holders, and essentially setting a precedent for this tactic.
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    I thought the tea party was some small radical fringe group? How could they possibly shut down the mighty US government? Here is the hard reality, it's everyone's fault in DC, The President, the dems and the pubs. They all have a hand in this.
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    Exactly.

    There is a lot of blame to be thrown out on all sides of this, but why can't our President be the bigger man and at least try to negotiate this?

    Wait, I know the answer, its because hes enjoying it too much.
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    It appears that the 30 tea partiers are holding the republican party hostage.
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    People are always bitchhing that the government needs to change and that is what the Tea Party represents. Let's face it folks - we are losing our freedoms on a daily basis with this President and all the MSM does is demonize and lie about the Tea Party.
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    Harry Reid and Scary-Face Pelosi have been holding the dems and America hostage since 2006. They are somehow getting a free pass in all of this. They are the ones truly to blame for the mess that Bush so conveniently gets blamed for.

    Again I go back to Bush (the president) gets blamed for everything. Obama (the president) gets a pass. Congress ( led by Tea Party) gets the blame for everything. Congress (led by the far left Reid and Pelosi) gets a pass. Unfortunately there are too many stupid people in this country believing this crap.
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    This

    And what's next if you give in to extortionist?

    Very dangerous precedent being set
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    Imagine if Dems took the budget and debt ceiling hostage damn near every year when not in power to get their way

    My guess is these same Pubs rooting it on would feel much differently
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    Nonsense. Want to back that up with a coherent argument?
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    Coherent? What does coherent mean to you? No such thing as coherent when you sit so far from the middle of reason. President Obama himself said that government shut down is a direct result of a lack of leadership from the top. So what has changed?

    We can start with that one and work from there. When it comes to politics in DC it always takes two to dance.
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    I think we should consider the chance that this Obama-care idea might be far too expensive, and that it's implementation just might be having a negative affect on our economy. Obama might also be over reaching with his illegal exemptions to his special interest friends in high places.
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    Why did the Pubs take over the House during the last mid-terms? The answer is that piece of chit legislation called Obamacare, which was written for the sole purpose of growing the size, scope and control of the federal government. And why is the government shut down today? Because of that piece of chit legislation called Obamacare, which is not being fairly or effectively implemented by the morons that lied to us about the costs of the program and the savings it would create.

    I hope the government stays shutdown and that its defaults on its debt. Maybe the Chinese and others will stop funding the corruption. Also, if the nonessential federal workers want to get paid for the days they are not working then they should use their PTO allotment.
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    took over in midterms as well as maintained it in 2012 House elections

    answer---gerrymandered congressional districts for 2012. There was also redistricting for 2010 as well due to GOP having GOP governors and legislatures redistrict in 2010 and earlier. Remember that despite retaining majority in the house, the GOP received substantially less popular vote in U.S. congressional elections nationally.

    So, a GOP claim of any sort of popular mandate in this matter is BS

    from wiki-but data available elsewhere as well

    "The 2012 United States House of Representatives elections were held on Tuesday, November 6, 2012. Elections were held for all 435 seats representing the 50 U.S. states and also for the delegates from the District of Columbia and five major U.S. territories. The winners of this election cycle are serving in the 113th United States Congress. This was the first congressional election using congressional districts apportioned based on the 2010 United States Census.

    House Democrats won a plurality nation-wide by over 1.7 million more votes (1.4%), but the Republicans were able to retain a 17-seat majority due in part to their gerrymandering in the congressional redistricting process following the 2010 United States Census, and because many Democratic votes were concentrated into urban and minority districts. Both parties had opportunities to redraw congressional districts in their favor, but since the Republican Party won an overwhelming amount of state legislature seats around the country in the 2010 midterm elections, it provided them with an overall advantage."
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