Premiums rise faster under Obamacare than previous 8 years...combined!

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    Health insurance premiums have risen more after Obamacare than the average premium increases over the eight years before it became law, according to the private health exchange eHealthInsurance.

    The individual market for health insurance has seen premiums rise by 39 percent since February 2013, eHealth reports. Without a subsidy, the average individual premium is now $274 a month. Families have been hit even harder with an average increase of 56 percent over the same period — average premiums are now $663 per family, over $426 last year.

    Between 2005 and 2013, average premiums for individual plans increased 37 percent and average family premiums were upped 31 percent. So they have risen faster under Obamacare than in the previous eight years.


    Remember...it is officially titled the Affordable Care Act!!

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/18/r...ears-before-obamacare-combined/#ixzz2wMEumjz7
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    Heck, I can't find a policy even close to what I had. Weren't we told it was going to decrease? Oh wait, was that when we were told we can keep our policy if we liked it?
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    ...and your doctor!
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    "It's the Affordable Health Care Act, NOT the affordable insurance premiums act. LOL!

    Gotcha!!"

    Love,

    President Obama
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    he said see ya, would want to be ya
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    Deductibles have also increased, that actually add to the cost , when it is neccesary to use the policy.
    A lose, lose proposition for most .
    It is amazing what the dem congress did to this country in order to satisfy Obama.
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    The deductibles astronomically went up. There is just no good side to this law at all. I suspect now with the mandate being delayed, that this law is going to end up getting killed as soon as Obama is out of office. We were better off have nothing been done.
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    Hopefully the idiot masses won't show up for the 2014 elections. They seems to only get charged up for the presidential elections. It will be a good opportunity to seize The Senate and start permanently dismantling this Law.
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    You could tell from the lack of protests from Big Pharma and friends that this wasn't true healthcare reform. The government reliant healthcare elites had 20 years to make necessary adjustments/bribes after Hillarycare was introduced.
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    Did you mean to say that you hope all voters in general won't show up for elections? Because it is a little confusing whether you hate the Democrats or Republicans.

    I guess it doesn't matter though, because you'll get the same result, regardless of which party you dislike more.
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    What specifically are you looking for?

    "The individual market for health insurance has seen premiums rise by 39 percent since February 2013, eHealth reports" with a link to the eHealth site. Once on the site I've read this in multiple places, "The Average 2013 Monthly Premium (dotted line in the chart) represents the average national premium calculated based on a sample of 423,000 individual and family major medical plans purchased through eHealth that were active in February 2013."

    The eight year claim isn't linked to in this article, and would have to come from some other sources that are unlisted, however, after googling a bit it appears the information is out there, although, it will take a little work to find the exact average premiums for the years.

    River, I was able to find this:

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ican-national-committee-says-health-insuranc/

    "The 2008 study -- the last one completed before Obama took office -- found that the average family premium for employer-sponsored health insurance was $12,680.

    By the time of the 2013 study, that amount had risen to $16,351. That’s an increase of 29 percent -- exactly as the RNC’s tweet had said. That’s well above the rate of inflation overall, which was about 8 percent during that period.
    "

    However, it also goes on to state:

    "So the RNC’s numbers are sound. But we’ll also point out some missing context: The rate of increase between 2008 and 2013 was significantly lower than it was between 1999 and 2008.

    From 2008 to 2013, premiums rose by an average of 5.8 percent per year. But between 1999 and 2008, premiums rose by an average of 13.2 percent a year -- in other words, twice as fast as premiums rose under Obama.
    "

    However again, so if you add this to the original claim, you should get some idea of how since October of 2013 (this is the correct Obamacare date?) has risen significantly. Honestly I haven't done the math to if their percentages are correct.
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    Wait, I thought "forcing" the uninsured to "buy" insurance will thus increase the pool--and premiums will decrease for everyone??

    Oh nvm--just another liberal fantasy that we're all having to pay for.
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    Why don't you actually read the link before you spout off false claims? According the link, the average deductibles are down by a significant margin, by an average of about $1100 for individual plans and $3400 for family plans.

    I'm guessing a lot of this is due to apples and oranges comparisons. And interestingly, according to the link, the daily average premium price has decreased from about $370 in October 2013 to $267 currently. I'm guessing some of this has to do with who was signing up last fall (older and sicker) vs who is signing up now (younger). But some of it may be due to market competition settling in, which is what you cons wanted back when this was a Republican idea.
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    The link says no such thing smart guy:

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    Average deductable down? That is bogus. Anyone buying insurance or being provided insurance by their company knows this is definately not true. My costs with Unite Health Care went up 24% this year + our deductable went up $1000 annually to $7 K. (we use Health Care Savings account type plan)
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    He's making a claim in the link that's not even true
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    It is funny how the Obama supporters try to spin this! Please stop insulting our intelligence.
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    dangole is for socialism so of course he wants the aca to lead us to single payer
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    I was looking for something in the eHealth link that compared the rise since Feb. 2013 to the previous eight years, which is what the Daily Caller's story says it does. But you're right, the eHealth page doesn't say anything about that.
    What it does is trace average monthly premium from Oct. 16 to now. It says the average monthly premium dropped from $370 to $268.

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