Poverty in America

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    Curious why you feel this way.
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/17/social-immobility-climbin_n_501788.html


    Studies like this. We've had a number of threads posting these social mobility ranking. The US generally does not compare all that favorably with other developed nations. The truth is that you will probably die in the same socio-economic group that you were born into.
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    I believe the studies. They make perfect sense and seem reasonable. But what that shows is on a macro level. On a micro level I still feel the opportunity for social mobility is relatively strong in the US compared to most places. The opportunity just usually isn't taken advantage of.
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    That doesnt really make sense to me, because many micro successes should translate to macro-level data. Now, if you mean the general cultural belief that you can rise above your circumstances is stronger than those other places, than I agree, as well as the tendency to blame one's self rather than their circumstances/class for failure too. But this is mythology, mostly. Not that that's a totally bad thing, per se.
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    Yeah, I think we're basically in agreement. American Dream-esque type of stuff.
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    Certainly American Dream-esque type stuff.

    Although a few years old now, this is a good run down of social mobility by the New York Times. Worth the read, imo. Here's an interactive graph too from the same piece.
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    Give Obama time. He is doing all he can to level the playing field.
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    Money and income are an artificial means for prosperity. The most powerful nations crowd out the standard of living for the other nations while absorbing their natural resources. There is NO reason why everyone on this planet should not have access to clean water, healthy food, and safe housing. We have the technology easily to do the above NOW!
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    If you are young, there's absolutely no reason you should be living in poverty. You do what I did and go to college and work fulltime and get a degree that is in demand. You want to be a social worker, then fine. Just don't complain if you make more working at McDonalds. Most living in poverty are those that made horrible decisions like getting pregnant too early or doing drugs. In extreme cases, you have the real poverty - elderly unable to support themselves.
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    The aggregate level of wealth in America is not the problem....it is the inequitable level of wealth. The more inequity the more violence and crime.
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    Progressives love poverty, programs, programs and more programs
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    What's amazing is the often used characature of American blacks being the primary group of poor in this country, while they have suffered more at the hends of liberalism than any other race in this country, especially over the last 50 years or so.

    In both of Obama's presidential runs, he got the vast majority of the black vote mainly out of racial loyalty, but in just the last five years under Obama, over 650,000 more black middle class Americans are living in poverty.

    He's done more to hurt blacks in this country than possibly any other single president.
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    I don't think anyone was relating poverty and race until now. Good job
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    It makes for a healthy voter base...
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    Really? You must have been paying attention then...

    Go back to the OP.
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    I saw the op. That wasn't the American black “characture" he was refering to. The poorest people i've ever seen were in middle pa. Generations of coal miners w/o any coal mines left. Not a lot of old men left. The ones who were almost all had some type of lung ailment. This was poverty. Third world or first world. Not the spoiled assholes the people in the open were quoting.
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    If you want to see poverty, go to some countries in Africa or some islands in the Carribean. If you want to see happy kids out playing, go to the same places.

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