Poll: Hillary routs Rubio and Jeb ... in Florida

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  1. Row6
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    Uh-oh. Long way to 11/16 but not looking good for repubs. That would make it 6 out of last 7 presidential votes.

    "Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would win Florida against both Sen. Marco Rubio and former Gov. Jeb Bush in the 2016 presidential election, a new poll finds.

    If the election were held today, Clinton would top Bush 50 percent to 43 percent, and she would best Rubio 53 percent to 41 percent, according to Wednesday’s survey from Quinnipiac."​


    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...marco-rubio-jeb-bush-93033.html#ixzz2WqTl1NjN
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    Is this really unexpected considering Florida has more registered Dem voters than Pubs?
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    thanks for posting. And brings a smile to me. However, there are some things to bear in mind.
    1. Such polls fluctuate over time and it is still a long ways till 2016
    2. That there is such a margin suggests that at least here in Fla, the majority of voters of Fla still prefer the Democrat platform/policies to those of the GOP. Even despite all the spin, rumors, half-truths, lies, even at times truths, etc that GOP/Cons PR machine and followers use to try to attack Obama, Hillary, and Democrat party.
    3. Could be that Hillary won't be POTUS candidate, could also be that Jeb won't run for POTS. And by law, Marco Rubio is ineligible to be POTUS with his having been born in Canada
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    I believe you're thinking of Cruz who was born in Canada.

    Republicans thinning hopes of ever winning the presidency depend on taking Florida.
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    This Country headed in a direction of dependency and low expectations. The Dems voting core base with it's unrealistic ideas of change and harmony will lead it. I find most Dems tend to be ignorant of history and are very selective in pointing out what minimal successes their ideas have had in the past.
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    More class warfare from the right. Yeah, that will win elections for you.
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    Row I'm sorry you can't take an honest look at your Party and see places were the Dems have governmental control. These are places in mess. Why do you think your Party will be so successful running this Nation for decades? What successes have the Dems had at City, County, and State levels?
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    They voted for Obama in Florida so no shock here. Most people who love Hillary have no idea of what a sh#tty job she did as Secretary of State.
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    Rubio and Bush... two figureheads of the current round of amnesty, thereby hemorrhaging support from the people whose votes they can't win without, the conservative base (we call the base "the base". If you didn't need them, they would call them something else).

    Still not sure the Cruz eligibility thing is actually a thing. When the whole birther prattle started with Obama, it ultimately was only a material question of where he was born because of *when* he was born, i.e. had he been born, even in Kenya, at some other time he would have benefited from his mother's citizenship (my recollection is only dim here, not sure if it is a before or an after some change in the law, can't remember the original challenge in PA well enough). But I know at least one set of wonks who do this sort of thing for the lulz seemed to think Cruz was in the clear.
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    thanks for the correction....my mistake. It is indeed Cruz who is ineligible.

    The main political reasons for Rubio having difficulty could be the following
    --unless matters change dramatically over the next few years it is likely he would not do well nationally with the overall Hispanic vote. There has been decades long rift in America between Cuban-American community and other Hispanic-Americans for two reasons
    1. Preferential immigration status for Cubans coming to America
    2. the perception among many other Hispanics-American that Cuban-Americans have a condescending attitude towards other Hispanic-Americans.
    --Rubio's position vacillating on a number of issues from being very conservative to being moderate, and then flipping back and forth. He is likely to be viewed by ultra-cons as not being conservative enough. And viewed by moderates as being an ulta-con. In other words he is trying to appeal to both and that would likely cost him in either the primary or in general election
    3. If religion gets to be issue in the GOP primaries he could take a hit for the following that is(IMO) a non issue....he was raised in 3 different religions with him switching from Mormon to Catholicism. With religion test a part of GOP primaries he could be unfairly targeted.
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    Bingo!

    And by the way, did Hillary support Obamacare? Let's wait and see what happens with the polls in Florida once Obamacare sinks its teeth into seniors.
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    Hillary will not run and if she does, the media will turn on her once she gets shrill, which she can't help. None of those mentioned will be the pub nominee...long way to go. If it causes you lefty libbies to have "wet dreams" at the thought of a Hillary presidency, then have at it. But it ain't happening. Once we get to the bottom of the Benghazi incident, Hillary may be a candidate to be a co-host on the view at best.

    We have the 2014 midterms and the implementation (or non implementation) of Obamacare on the horizon plus a continuing sluggish economy hindered by the anti-business, anti-American Obama. By 2016, those paying the bills (not the leftys) may have had enough of another "Progressive Experiment" and get back to basics.
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    Rubio would kick Hillary's a$$, by a...

    LANDSLIDE.

    BOOK IT!



    :dog:
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    Another amusing thought... does it really matter at this point if Cruz or anyone else is constitutionally eligible? We effectively eliminated any chance of establishing a process for eligibility to be challenged, so who would stop him? Only the voters, really, if they don't elect them. I don't think there is any other remedy left.

    EDIT: the eligibility issue seems to be the red herring I thought it was, just a cynical ploy to throw out to the low information basis (or LIB) voters. Birthers are to blame for constantly harping on Kenya Kenya Kenya as though that was the dispositive legal issue, which it never actually was. A natural born citizen is one who is eligible for citizenship at or by the fact of their birth. The issue about Obama was whether if, had he been born in Kenya, he would have been so eligible -- NOT because of Kenya but because of whether his mother was able to confer eligibility for citizenship at the time of his birth under the law of the day. With Cruz, there is no such issue.
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    that's right. we can never again check to see if someone is eligible to run ...:grin::grin::grin:

    meanwhile, polls are meaningless this early in terms of 2016. but it is interesting the voter prefer Hillary even at this point.
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    2016 polls are meaningless, because by then we'll be a one-party secular Muslim Commufascist state.
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    ^^^LOL! that was funny, Wgb.
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    No, river, I was being literal -- the birther challenge failed on the basis of standing, but the courts did not deign to give guidance as to where standing can be found to challenge the constitutional eligibility of a candidate. But, no citizen/taxpayer standing is settled. Can a state election board? Can Congress? We don't know. Can the FEC? One would surely hope, if nobody else does, but who knows?

    I doubt there is much horse race value in a poll at this point, especially not when the two candidates cited against her both have a huge albatross around their neck with the base they need to win.
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    She should win. Why?
    She is a dim wit crook.

    Lazy America likes dim wit crooks who will take from the rich to give to the poor.
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    More accusatory blow hard posting from Row.

    Yeah, that will win you a debate.

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