Panera CEO tries food-stamp challenge, lives on $4.50 a day

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    This kind of crap ticks me off. These people apparently don't shop. They have no contact with these people. We had a discussion about food stamps before Christmas last year. I brought it up to the bakery manager at a grocery store in Florida
    He told me that 70-80% of the CAKES are purchased with the cards. By the way, there is a golf course community across the street and a gated community next to that. But within three miles there is "free" housing. People shopping with $4.50 a day don't buy cake. Please, don't believe me ask someone who knows yourself.
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    In Gainesville, in addition SNAP and WIC, there are at least 3 (probably 4) food banks I know of, a daily lunch provided at St Francis House and dinner for residents, lunches supplied at the Bo Diddley plaza 3 days a week, 2 day a week delivery of food and other essentials by Home Van and a generous once a week food give away by St Vincent de Paul.
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    A silly sanctimonious publicity stunt. Nobody is living solely off this so the only point is to draw attention to himself.
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    Well yeah, but they have to get them with manual transmissions, so it's not like being poor is quite as wonderful as the right wingers make it out to be. You ever have to work the clutch on a solid gold Maserati? All that damn torque makes it a pain in the butt when you're stuck in stop and go traffic on your way to a delicious steak dinner courtesy of SNAP.
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    Someone gets it.
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    That's a fantastic idea. They can teach all those malnourished fat bastards how to eat properly and create a crapload of shovel ready jobs.
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    Zero?
    WTF are you talking about?

    Making up factually incorrect statements with highly charged words doesn't make them any more truthful.

    I suppose the National Poverty Center & the Univ. of Michigan are full of BS also, huh?
    :laugh:

    And they're using $2 or less as their benchmark.
    How many kids & families would be captured if you used $8 or $10?

    The truth about the "plethora" of assistance programs is highlighted in the conclusion.
    Its barely keeping millions from going hungry and you want to cut the funding.


    And, on a completely different topic, what's with all of you and the Obamaphone thing?
    Why would you list that when discussing food stability?

    What, is the kid going to eat his phone when he's hungry?




    http://npc.umich.edu/publications/policy_briefs/brief28/policybrief28.pdf
    Extreme Poverty in the United States, 1996 to 2011
    The National Poverty Center’s Policy Brief series summarizes key academic research
    findings, highlighting implications for policy.
    H. Luke Shaefer, University of Michigan, School of Social Work and
    Kathryn Edin, Harvard University, Kennedy School of Government1




    Introduction
    Recently, there has been considerable discussion in the news media and by
    presidential candidates about the fact that nearly half of American households receive
    government benefits However, a recent study suggests that a declining proportion
    of these benefits go to the poor, and what does go to the poor is more often in the
    form of in-kind benefits than cash.

    In fact the 1996 welfare reform ended the only cash entitlement program in the U.S.
    for poor families with children, replacing it with a program that offers time-limited
    cash assistance and requires able-bodied recipients to participate in work activities.
    This reform, combined with changes to other means-tested public programs that
    have raised the benefits of work for low income households, has been followed
    by a dramatic decline in cash assistance caseloads, from an average of 12.3 million
    recipients per month in 1996 to 4.4 million in June 2011; only 1.1 million of these
    beneficiaries are adults.


    Thus, in the aftermath of the Great Recession while millions of American
    parents continue to experience long spells of unemployment, they have little access to
    means-tested income support programs.

    Has this produced a new group of American poor: households with children
    living on virtually no income
    ?

    We use the term “extreme poor” to refer to this group, and adapt one of the World
    Bank’s measures of global poverty to define it: $2 or less, per person, per day.
    This policy brief estimates the prevalence of extreme poverty in the U.S., and
    assesses how it has changed over the past 15 years. As a result of shrinking access to
    cash assistance and the increasingly poor economic climate, we expect the size of the
    population of households with children living in extreme poverty to increase
    between 1996 and 2011, both in terms of total households, and as a proportion of all
    poor households.



    Conclusion
    In sum, we estimate that, as of the beginning of 2011, about 1.46 million U.S.
    households with about 2.8 million children were surviving on $2 or less in income per
    person per day in a given month. This constitutes almost 20 percent of all nonelderly
    households with children living in poverty. About 866,000 households
    appear to live in extreme poverty across a full calendar quarter. The prevalence
    of extreme poverty rose sharply between 1996 and 2011. This growth has been
    concentrated among those groups that were most affected by the 1996 welfare reform.

    Despite the presence of a substantial in-kind safety net, a significant number of
    households with children continue to slip through the cracks. And it is unclear how
    households with no cash income—either from work, government programs, assets,
    friends, family members, or informal sources—are getting by even if they do
    manage to claim some form of in-kind benefit.

    While the best source of data available for this study, the SIPP does likely suffer
    from some under-reporting of income by respondents. However, under-reporting
    likely does not explain the dramatic increase in extreme poverty over our study
    period. Further, under-reporting of income itself suggests adverse outcomes, such as
    engagement in the underground economy (Edin & Lein, 1997). Finally, when SIPP
    calendar weights become available for the full study period, adding annual estimates
    of extreme poverty will be an important addition to this analysis.

    When we consider SNAP benefits as equivalent to dollars, this reduces the
    number of extremely poor households with children by about half. We estimate
    that SNAP currently saves roughly 1.4 million children from extreme poverty.
    In addition, many of the households in extreme poverty are accessing public
    health insurance for at least one of their children, and about one in five have a
    housing subsidy. These in-kind safety-net programs are playing a vital role, and are
    probably blunting some of the hardship that American children living in extreme
    poverty would otherwise face.
    However, it would be wrong to conclude that the U.S. safety net is strong, or even adequate, when one in five poor households with children are living without meaningful cash income.
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    Because Gainesville is representative of every type of community in America?

    Think Gainesville is relevant for NYC, Detriot, Overtown Miami, New Orleans?
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    You are wrong.
    The data has millions of kids living in this exact scenario.

    Now, is it still a publicity stunt or are you going to tell us that the CEO just doesn't really care about food stability or those trying to eat with no income.


    You guys are ridiculous...you're best retort when the facts prove you wrong is to say the guy is a liar?

    :laugh:
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    So you're circle of friends are a representative sample of ALL people with no jobs on SNAP?

    Your circle of friends are representative of the millions of children with no income on SNAP?
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    Never said it represented 100% of people with no jobs on SNAP.

    You, however, said:

    "4.6 million with no income at all.

    So, the CEO took the challenge and now has a better idea of what life is like for almost 5 million everyday."

    It looks like you believe this challenge represents what life is like for about 100% of people with no income who are on snap.

    Once again, do you know even one person who has no income? Is their only source of food limited to what they can buy with their SNAP card?

    I would also say that the number of children with no income who have access to free lunch/breakfast programs is closer to 100% than it is to 0%.
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    I made no comments that would imply that's how 100% of people with no income live.

    The contrary was proposed when I posted the link...
    That there was no one who was living with no income on SNAP.

    The data says otherwise...that's it.


    You guys made a statement that turns out to be not true. Period. End of story.


    BTW - Your last point is addressed in the Nat'l Poverty Ctr. link....

    All of these benefit programs are keeping millions barely fed...
    ...is it the time to cut their funding?
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    You can bet Bloomberg is for the cuts, especially if SNAP induced malnutrition leads to obesity.
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    As an amateur psychologist this thread is fascinating.

    In the last year I've begun looking at many arguments through the victim/ villain/ hero prism.

    Here you have 996 INSISTING that SNAP receipients are the poor and downtrodden-getting by on $4.50 or $4.80 per day, with no other income available. Those people are the victims, with 996 and other caring liberals the heroes. And by inference-capitalism, the uncaring rich, the GOP who wants to cut food stamps, are the villains.

    We are so in love with our roles as heroes that we can't or won't see anything that will contradict our narratives. We are the ones fighting the power. But the victims need to be innocent,and those villains need to be evil, or our narrative breaks down, and we aren't the hero any longer. We can't have that, so any facts that don't fit our narrative are ignored or minimized or explained away.

    So 996 can't see through an obvious publicity stunt by the Panera CEO. (Just a note 996- CEOs will do anything to move their numbers up. This is one of those things.)
    He can't acknowledge the fine work done by GT and others pointing out that indeed, the S in SNAP stands for "Supplemental" and there are scores of other gov't programs available.
    He can't acknowledge Lacuna's claim that there are LOTS of supplemental soup kitchens and other ministries in cities such as Gainesville, and about any other city you can think of.

    I don't mean to pick on 996. You will find this dynamic in most political arguments- right or left. We have an intrinsic need to be the hero, or be Righteous. But we must have villains and victims to do so.

    For further info, I recommend the Righteous Mind by Haidt.
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