Oversigning, SEC plus rivals last four classes

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    Just did a quick count from the 24x7 recruiting site. Over the last four years, including commits for this year, UF is far below our rivals & almost every SEC school in the number we sign. The recruits either don't care or have no choice because almost every school is doing it.

    Is this a Foley initiative? Will UF be forced to change in order to compete?

    Arkansas - 110
    Kentucky - 100
    Alabama - 100
    Georgia - 97
    South Carolina - 96
    Auburn - 95
    Ole Miss - 95
    Miss State - 93
    Tennessee - 93
    LSU - 92
    Texas A&M - 91
    Vanderbilt - 89
    UF - 86
    Missouri - 79

    f$u - 95
    Miami - 101
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    Foley and Machen have said no to over signing and it doesnt sound like they are going to change their mind. UGA also doesn't over sign
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    I thought UGA didn't, but then looked at the count - over a four year period, I don't see how they could be moving players around to comply.
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    They had a bunch of kids kicked off the team. They also take kids who they know wont qualify that end up going prep for a semester then enroll in January so they end up counting for two classes numbers wise.
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    We shouldn't over sign, but I think we should sign to keep in line with normal attrition... e.g. if you end up consistently losing 3 players each spring (transferring out due to competition or off field issues) who you don't expect to lose, then sign at least 2 more than you think you need. It will work out by August.
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    I completely agree!
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    Is that really any different from what Bama & other schools do, i.e. get recruits on campus where they can be extensively evaluated, then kicked off or temporarily moved to a prep school/junior college, or granted a qualification waiver?
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    I agree, too but that is over-signing by definition isn't it?

    Thanks for pulling those #'s, OP. I'm curious if a running four year average wouldn't tell a better story. A single 4-year snapshot may not tell the whole story. For example, that first class or two may have been been lemons w/ little attrition, thus keeping the next 2 year's numbers down by necessity.

    Conversely, you'd think highly ranked classes would by their nature lead to signing more kids over a 4 year period as there's bound to me more losses after Jr year....

    Which really makes our low numbers strange. Tons of attrition w/ coaching changes, Drug / criminal dismissals, injuries, NFL, etc, yet we only signed 86? Doesn't that equal us having one ship lost through attrition over the last 4 years ?!?! :huh: If this is true, we should have about 60 on ship right now?

    Ok, that's a lot of rambling....
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    Short answer yes it is a lot different than what Bama does
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    Here's an attempt at making that last post of mine make sense:

    - We've signed 86 players over 4 years to fill 85 scholarship positions.
    - We've lost x players thru various means of attrition
    - To keep a full load of 85 ships over four years, you'd have to sign: 85 + x
    - For UF over the last 4 years, x=1?
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    5 year players?
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    I suppose. That and Juco could make up for the attrition. Dunno.
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    I was going to post the year-by-year numbers, but flipped some & was too tired (woeful lack of sleep lately) to go back through them. I was also going to go through the list to check whether players were included in more than one year, but decided to include all SEC schools plus rivals which would've been more work than I wanted to do at the moment. It seemed to me that the big discrepancy in numbers was enough to show a problem exists, so I left it at that.

    With things as they are, my opinion is that recruiting ability becomes a lot more important at UF than at schools where there is over signing, which allows schools to reevaluate & weed out players. In this environment, Foley must retain a head coach that can recruit as well as coach. Foley knows Muschamp can recruit & must believe he will grow into a great head coach.
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    I understand, I was just lumping all of the schools together & using Bama as the "brand name" for oversigning :)
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    Over signing as I think of it, is when you plan to "cull the herd" so to speak. You sign five more guys than you need knowing that you're going to pick five guys to send packing whether they like it or not.

    What I described is just attrition planning. And that's why I even suggested not going as high as the average attrition, so it is unlikely you get stuck in a situation where you've either got to force somebody out, or you have to "gray shirt" a new recruit.
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    I suppose intent is a hard thing to know. Planning for attrition or culling the herd; guess it depends on perspective. ;)
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    I would guess there is a higher attrition rate the better the recruiting.
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    Agreed
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    Looking at the teams at the top of that list, it doesn't like over signing is that correlated with success - Ky and Arky at the top and Mizzou at the bottom. Ky and Arky had coaching changes which prob impacted the numbers but still...
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    I think any association would have to be determined. The point for me is that UF is at a disadvantage. Imagine if we could've signed 11 offensive linemen one year like f$u did. Transfers, injuries - who cares?

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