Oversigning and Alabama

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    My question is if a player gets his scholly pulled, does he have to give back his money for committing?
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    This is an old topic really. Been much written about it over the years. http://oversigning.com/testing/

    UF offers 4 year scholarships. Has been that way at least since UM was HC.

    IMO...I think 'Bama has peaked and others can easily compete for the NC. Also, I for one am proud that we have a tad more integrity, and it will make us look even better when we're back on top.
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    He's fine, and truly believes he'll earn his starting spot back this coming Spring. Thanks for asking!
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    There is no such thing as over-signing.

    It is a myth.

    Everything is audited by the NCAA.

    If there were violations you would hear about it.

    A team can have no more than 85 scholarship players when all is said and done.

    Sometimes a team doesn't use all their schollys from the previous year which is one reason why you see the numbers you see.

    There are other situations too that result in more players being signed up each year.

    Bottom line is no more than 85 will be allowed when the dust settles.
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    Love that kid!
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    It's all about integrity. You either have it or you don't - nothing "gray" about it. That UF offers 4 year scholarships and doesn't oversign are indicators UF aspires to be viewed as a program of intergrity. That matters to some people and I like the idea of filling our program with the type of people for whom it does matter.

    I further like it that our football coaches are not sitting in living rooms telling parents there is a scholarship for their son only to have it evaporate a year or two later if a more talented kid comes along. I also like that no kid is going to be asked to gray shirt if the class gets too big due to accommodating highly attractive, last minute "plus ones" that end up adding up to "plus tens".

    UF can win with integrity and I much prefer that to winning at all costs.
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    Feels that way because they lost a couple games. We may well hear Bama fans upset Saban got rid of a pretty good OC for Kiffin. If that doesn't work out and they have a less formidable offense then of course it's going to hurt and look like bad judgment on Saban's part. They were 33rd in total offense, 17th in scoring. There's a lot of room for them to go the other direction if Kiffin's offense doesn't get rolling.
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    How many kids should programs be allowed to run out in order to ensure 85 by the time the dust settles?
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    You guys have attrition every year, but you are closer to the 85 number over 4 years than anyone other than Mizzou. In the last 4 complete recruiting cycles the SEC has signed as follows...

    Ark - 104
    LSU - 101
    AU - 101
    UK - 101
    OM - 101
    SC - 101
    UA - 100
    UT - 98
    MSU - 97
    tAM - 97
    UGA - 97
    VU - 94
    UF - 91
    Miz - 80

    So basically UF is competing with teams that sign 2-3 more players each cycle. Tough to do.
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    I might agree with you on integrity if UF didn't have one of the most leniant substance abuse policies. http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/gato...s-in-ufs-substance-abuse-punishment-policies/
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    I might agree with you if that article you linked supported your position. It just said that there is some discretion in the hands of Machen and Foley to recommend reduction of the penalties. Nowhere does it compare them vs other schools.
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    lol, the president's name which must not be written?
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    It would be nice to over-sign so that we didn't come down to the end of recruiting with 4-5 open spots, which are waiting to be filled by flips or last second deciders. Yes, we have "plan B" guys but I wonder how many of those will actually pan out.

    You know who is helped by over-signing? Miami, with their 3 scholarship per year reduction probably won't miss those three because they are part of Miami's "churn" to be replaced by the "extra" recruits the following year.
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    Thanks for replying! As I look back over the years, we've had some pretty good punters. We often take those guys for granted. Really, they play a huge role on a team. Year before last, he had a BIG part in our success. GO GATORS!
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    I suspect few teams have lost as many players so soon after the classes made it to campus as us over the past few seasons.
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    So, we signed 24, counting the nine EEs. Couldn't some of them count towards last year's class? Then we could have signed a few more. This is confusing. And, with the transfers because of the offense system change, we should be under the 85 limit.
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    We can count back, but think we're right at 85. Maybe 84 with Riggs leaving. But we could get Herndon another one year with that. And I think he is a very good back.

    Don't quote me on these numbers but I think that's about where we're at.
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    OK, I understand the 85 scholly limit, but isn't there some kind of rule (thought it came out about ten years or so ago) that states you cant sign more than 25 per year?.... Obviously there is a difference among all teams, as to the amount they sign... Just wondering. Seems like BS to me as it really is not a level playing field.

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