Our Bored President

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    I'm shocked that no one has tipped in that "lazy" and "unqualified" are racist "code words." That seems to be the en vogue deflection of valid criticisms.
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    I don't agree with you often, but I also don't want people believing things that I know to be wrong. You are right: Bush didn't like memos, he preferred meetings--where the daily briefings would be recited and debated among intelligence professionals and Cabinet officials. Bush wasn't the first President to do so: Clinton and Reagan did very similar things.

    Obama prefers to do the research on his own from the daily briefings.

    Two different styles, that's all. Bush was liked in the intelligence community because you knew he (and his advisers) were listening to some degree. With Obama, it's hard to say since there isn't that same degree of inter-activeness.
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    Well, someone did ;)
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    Sounds like some of these posts struck a rather vulnerable nerve.
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    Touche.
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    They did...

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    They are, and if people want to traffic in them, I don't think they are doing themselves any favors, whether its coming from a place of racial animus or not. Given that "lazy" and "unqualified" are subjective criticisms, their validity is a best, debatable, and their historical use in demeaning blacks is certainly going to leave someone open to charges of racism. That goes with the territory. If you don't want to be charged with racism (even falsly), don't peddle in racial stereotypes. It's pretty simple, especially since people writing these criticisms seem to already understand that they are historical racial stereotypes.
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    So words like "lazy" and "unqualified" are forbidden when discussing someone who is African American?

    PC run amok.
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    Ok, Dave. If someone or something is racist, I'm not affraid to level the charge. I don't need to bury it in subtext as you seem to be implying.
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    It's not forbidden. But don't be surprised or aggrieved if someone charges you with less than noble intentions, because that's not forbidden either. Republicans seem to understand this though, as they often preemtively say things "oh that's just racist, right" to head off the charge. It's basically just the "race card" in reverse.
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    Oh, without a doubt.

    To you, anyone who uses the terms "lazy" and "unqualified" when referring to an African American is a racist. You already said that.
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    Yeah, where did I say that?
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    In fact, I think I argued that people can use them in a non-racist intent, but since we have no way to know intent, you leave yourself vulnerable to the accusation. Not sure why someone would want to deal with that, especially if trying to persuade or talk to the not-yet persuaded, but it is what it is.
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    Clinton read the daily intelligence memos as did GHWB.

    And if righties want to use the fact that Obama doesn't see the need for these meetings as meaning he is lazy, then I will feel free to state that the reason that GWB wanted these meetings was because he read at the "My Pet Goat" level.
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    Okay, then. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that this President has a historically below-average work ethic and a below-average resume when compared to the Presidents who preceded him. What would you suggest as language for describing that as valid professional criticism without evoking racial stereotypes?
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    Neither of those are facts, since a) we don't have a metric to access historical work ethic, and b) "qualification" is subjective, since all presidents have met the only stated Constitutional qualifications to be president. I have no advice to give as far as how you would want to persuade someone other than to consider who you are trying to persuade. If you are trying to convince black people, or people sensitive to race that Obama is bad, you probably don't want to invoke historical stereotypes about black people to do it. Common sense.
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    Clinton also went to the daily intelligence meetings, as did GHWB, and Reagan. Apparently, your "messiah" is the only one who "doesn't see the need" to discuss the topics with the professionals and the Cabinet as frequently as his predecessors.

    Every President is entitled to their own personal style. I didn't criticize Obama for handling it in the manner he does, I just explained that he does it in a different way than Bush did and slightly different than Clinton or H.W. Bush or Reagan, etc.

    I will feel free to state that President Bush has far more intelligent questions and observations than anything I've seen you post.
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    Sorry sir, but THAT is patently racist.

    Lazy applies to ANYONE who avoids work.

    It is YOU sir, who has made the colossal leap from fair criticism about the Barry's work ethic (or lack thereof)--in his capacity as POTUS-- and INFERRED racism--based on Barry's race alone.

    That pretty much qualifies as racist in my book.
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    Cool. I think your book of racism is ridiculous, but you are entitled to your opinion.
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    wasn't this "lazy" covered in a separate thread and it turned out that Obama admitted to being called lazy by Michelle?

    Actually he admitted a"laziness"in an interview with Babba Wahwah in late 2011.
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