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Our biggest problem is self destruction

Discussion in 'RayGator's Swamp Gas' started by jisgator, Sep 7, 2013.

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    I got toasted on another thread because I stated that we may not be a good football team. Yes, we have a very good defense and very good special teams. Yes, today we had 414 total yards and 38 minutes of possession. JD obviously had his moments because he tossed for almost 300 yes. We have a lot of excellent football players but I will maintain that we may not be a good football TEAM.

    The headlines for today's game should be "Florida Beats Florida, Miami Benefits". And that has been Avery constant and consistent problem for us since Muschamp arrived. Turnovers in critical situations, penalties on both sides of the ball in critical situations and today, poor coaching decisions at critical moments.

    There is a lot of discussion about Muschamp and his conservative philosophy, Pease and whether he's being handcuffed or if he's even qualified. Whether JD is capable of being even a serviceable QB for us.....

    All of those things are obviously critical to success, but none of it matters if we can't become a more disciplined football team. That is ultimately what's holding us back. It's clear that what Muschamp is trying to do is to build our program in a similar fashion to what Saban did at Alabama. That style of play obviously works given that Bama has won 3 of 4 national titles. It can be ok to play close to the vest on offense but if that's what you want to do, you MUST be a disciplined football team. When Spurrier was here, we had similar problems with a lack of discipline but we scored 45 points a game so it rarely mattered. If you're going to have a philosophy where you deliberately keep things close to shorten the game and protect your defense then on top of that you constantly shoot yourself in the foot all game, every week, then you are not going to win many football games.

    If we get that problem fixed, a lot of these other issues will take care of themselves.
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    obvious is obvious
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    I'm sick of losing these kind of games. One side of the team is just not pulling their weight and becomes a liability even
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    Offense pulled their weight today. 400+ yards. They just put a bazooka to their head on the important plays.
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    Pretty apparent today. During the 2nd and 3rd quarters, Miami's offensive production was -2 yards. Our DL and LB were carving up their running game and blowing holes in the Miami OL.

    During this time we scored 3 measly points.

    If I was the DC I would be slapping the OC and offensive players silly.
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    Well put OP
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    Stop right there. No, no, no, no, and NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Well, turnovers have not been a constant and consistent problem for us. Last year we were top 10 in the nation in turnover margin and top 15 in turnovers lost.

    Not turning the ball over has been one of our few offensive strengths.
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    400+ yards is pulling your weight. People don't seem to realize we did not have a bad offense today. We moved the ball at will. What killed them was self inflicted wounds at critical moments
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    Yards don't win football games, especially when you go backwards during crucial times.
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    The MAIN reason we lost today: Turnovers. Starts and ends there. The offense gashed miami's defense all day. If not for turnovers (most unforced imo) this is a blowout
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    Agreed. We can get yards. Points not so much
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    I didn't say that it was turnovers per say. It's everything related to being a disciplined football team. You have to admit that penalties is a huge issue for us all last season and so far this season.
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    Well, you specifically mentioned turnovers, right after you said Champ had consistent and constant problems, so I assumed you were talking about turnovers.

    But yes, the penalties are infuriating.
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    Our biggest problem is that our coach isn't Chris Petersen, the natural heir apparent to Urban Meyer.
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    Turnovers are a part of the overall but I wasn't trying to single them out. Turnovers, penalties, missed assignments on both sides of the ball, poor coaching decisions like going for a 2 pt conversion in the1st quarter after getting the momentum back from a poor start. Mental mistakes all around. We are a very undisciplined football team and its almost impossible to overcome that when you do play close to the best. Hey, it's not easy when you're explosive.
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    Offense is schizo

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