One third of all voters believe that Obama is worst President since WWII

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    Reagan is widely believed (by historians, no less) to be one of the best presidents of the 20th century. He rebuilt the military, which was severely damaged by Vietnam (and LBJ's incompetence), and further damaged by Jimmy Carter (yes, he had to trade tax hikes to get Tip O'Neill to agree to it). He actions helped defeat the Soviet Union without firing a shot. He deregulated major sectors of the U.S. economy (some with bad results, but mostly with good results), and he put government unions in their place. He also made major reforms to Social Security, which no president since has had the courage to do. And his ability to inspire confidence in the U.S. with his speeches (after the "malaise" president) helped ignite the economy, which eventually resulted in the internet boom of the 1990's.

    He understood the value of compromise on policy, without compromise on principles. He actually worked with the opposition, not around them, like GWB and Obama did.
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    It's not that hard to understand. The liberal media has an extreme bias (and the conservative media, while brave enough to tell the truth about the current administration, is not that great when it comes to accuracy or "big picture" issues when it comes to news). So conservatives go elsewhere for news. It does not mean they are stupid, or gullible. It is a natural reaction to untrustworthy sources of news. The "false conservative articles" are easy to believe because of things that come out of Obama's mouth. IOW, Obama is untrustworthy and unreliable, so stories that fit that narrative will be easier to believe.

    Liberals, OTOH, believe mainstream news, even when it is lying (like the CBS reports that cars were blowing up with little provocation (it turns out that CBS was causing them to blow up), because that fits their narrative that corporations are evil and bloodthirsty creations that will sell the CEO's grandmother down the river for a little more profit. Mainstream news outlets can't afford to be caught lying very often (because a lawsuit for slander may follow), so they have to accomplish their propaganda objectives by omitting news, slanting news or spinning news.

    The real blame lies with the liberal media, for being biased and untrustworthy propaganda outlets for a particular political party. If the media were independent in their reporting, few people would pay attention to bloggers who might be lying. But that is what America has been reduced to.
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    but, then again, you don't think Bush ever blamed Clinton for anything or claimed he had inherited a mess.
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    I didn't say that Bush never blamed Clinton; just that he did not make it a mantra. I'm sure if you compared the number of times that Obama blamed GWB in national speeches versus the number of times that GWB blamed Clinton, you would see a factor of 4-5 times greater for Obama. Constantly blaming a predecessor is not a sign of good leadership. It is a sign of immaturity. If Obama did not want to "inherit" the recession (which he and his questionable organization ACORN helped cause, BTW), he shouldn't have run for office. A real leader accepts problems as opportunities to fix them, not opportunities to blame someone else. Or have democrats forgotten what it is like to have a real leader in the White House?
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    Here's what you said:

    And it's simply false. Every president has talked about the mess he inherited. The only difference is that we didn't have the opposition getting hysterical every time. "OMG, he blamed the previous administration!!! OMG, he issued an executive order!!! OMG, he went on vacation!!!"
    Reagan, 1982:
    "In the last six months of 1980, as an example, the money supply increased at the fastest rate in postwar history 13 percent. Inflation remained in double digits and Government spending increased at an annual rate of 17 percent. Interest rates reached a s taggering 21 1/2 percent. There were eight million unemployed."


    Reagan, 1983: "The problems we inherited were far worse than most inside and out of government had expected; the recession was deeper than most inside and out of government had predicted. Curing those problems has taken more time and a higher toll than any of us wanted."
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    Buuuuuut Carter! ;)
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    You haven't... You just haven't noticed it.
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    The media, entertainment community and many dem politicians have accused anyone who disagrees
    with Obama as racists.
    There is a great big world of news outside of Too Hot for Swamp Gas.
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    Yes this makes sense.
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    The right wing media called anyone who disagreed with Bush as a terrorist lover.

    Sucks to have your own tactics used against you, huh?
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    I was absolutely o.k. with Obama saying that he inherited a mess the first time he said it. He just couldn't put it to bed and take responsibility for fixing the problem. The fact that he kept going back to that phrase tells you he had no clue on how to solve the problem, nor any work ethic to lean on to get the problem solved. IOW, even if he did know the right answer, he would be unable to put in the hours to get the solution worked out.
    Those are simply stating facts. There is no assignment of blame there. This is how presidents should talk about the circumstances surrounding the economy when they want to discuss how they have improved or changed things. "I inherited a mess" is more of a juvenile way to whine about how things are bad and you haven't done anything to make them better. This goes over especially badly when the electorate finds out that the administration has been holding the economy hostage to get Health Care legislation passed (Rahm Emmanuel: "Don't let a good crisis go to waste").
    Again, it isn't something that Reagan harped on repeatedly. It wasn't a mantra.
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    he was still 'harping' on it three years into his term.
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    Oh, OK. When Reagan complains about inheriting a mess, he's simply stating facts and not assigning blame. When Obama does .... well, then that's different, right?
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    Your Avatar?;)
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    Which part confuses you? Perhaps I can help you out... Again?
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    ^^^sometimes dave, you're a little cryptic for most people to understand
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    At what point did Reagan discontinue any blame for the mess he certainly inherited? At what point did he take ownership of the effort to correct the mess he certainly inherited? How do those time frames compare to the timetable of the current administration?
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    I don't recollect Reagan or Bush complaining and whining about their predesessor in every speech & every tv interview , even State of the Union addresses. Nothing but whine, whine, whine. I guess that is why many of his suppporters whine so much about Bush.
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    well, apparently (at least) 3 years...he was blaming the previous admin up til 1983
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    can you plz link us to every speech an every interview where he blames the presvious admin. and i can show you a number of time he says (and i quote) 'the buck stops here'

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