Olympic Boycott? Lindsay Graham facepalm

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    It was asinine in 1980, it would be asinine today with an even less compelling reason. It's not like these athletes have sacrificed many elements of a normal life pursuing this goal of competing on the world stage or anything.

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_new...pic-boycott-over-possible-snowden-asylum?lite

    He is of course, bass ackwards on the optics. Nobody praises the political imagery of the US slinking off by itself in 1980; they remember America's Jesse Owens showing up Hitler's entire vision of of the world in 1936.
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    What a moron. Boycotting the Olympics accomplishes only one thing: it deprives American athletes--who have labored for years--of their chance at glory. That is all Jimmy Carter accomplished.
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    Bad idea. Graham needs to find another way to make his point.
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    Terrible idea. Hopefully it goes nowhere.
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    "If you don't hand Snowden over to us, you're going to win even more gold medals." Yep, that makes tons of sense. Earth to Graham: there has never been a time when the rest of the world was so ready to throw a party without us there.
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    I think somewhere around 70 countries boycotted the 1980 Olympics. While I'd say there wasn't much tangible benefit, it probably did hurt Russia economically, particularly as Olympics tend to put dollars in pockets.

    That said, in 1980 there was a very valid reason for this boycott that a lot of countries could support - the invasion of Afghanistan. I'm not sure this is anywhere near on the scope or breadth of importance globally.

    In other words, yeah, pretty dumb.
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    The 1980 boycott was because the host country was actively participating in a hostile takeover of another country at the time, and if I'm not mistaken was under U.N. condemnation for doing so. That seems like a legitimate reason for boycotting an Olympics held in such a country. Otherwise you're participating in an event that's putting money in their coffers, which they can then use to buy more bullets and bombs and whatnot.

    But anything short of that? No. :no:

    The spirit of the Olympics is supposed to transcend differences and disputes based on politics and nationalism.
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    My take is that, if the government is going to take a big wet dump on the inarticulably hard work and excellence of hundreds or thousands of American athletes, it needs to be for something other than pure symbolism, a totally ineffectual act.

    1936 spoke better of America in the eyes of history than 1980 did. Hell, Winter 1980 meant more than Summer 1980.
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    Making progress in the name of American national interests can take many forms, and require many sacrifcies. Once in a blue moon, it's the Olympics.

    I hate the thought of our athletes' training going for naught, but don't you think that might be an acceptable price we pay to call attention to the support for terrorist states and human rights abuses pepetrated by Russia under Putin? After all, given the world today, what other real power and influence can we yield besides brute military force? Diplomacy sure as heck isn't working, and won't work with Putin and his cronies.

    I agree with Graham that the Olympics provided Germany undue exposure and influence. And I agree the Olympics and World Cup will do the same for Russia.

    I'm open to other ideas though. At least ones that will actually work to bring Russia more in line with our interests.
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    This.
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    Let's just call Russian Dressing "Freedom Dressing" and be done with it.
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    The only thing we know an Olympic boycott won't do is affect an outcome we want. It didn't make the Russians leave Afghanistan, it won't make them do anything different about Snowden. It will just make us look like the sissy little bitches it did before, again. Again, the great Cold War moment of Olympic history was from our participation in the Winter Games in 1980, not our sitting out the Summer Games.
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    You mean the Lake Placid Olympics? How was that a "great Cold War moment of Olympic history" by us participating in our own Olympics?
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    You are right, I can't think of anything that happened in Lake Placid that had Cold War subtext at all.
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    Beating the Russians in hockey singlehandedly ended the Cold War.
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    You said "participation"...not results.
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    he is a complete ass, utterly devoid of any motivation other than self promotion and re-election. A perfect example of all that is wrong with modern politics, no better or worse than Harry Reid et al.
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    I am more conservative than Lindsey Graham, I think Snowden is a hero and I think Graham is an idiot.

    What Graham should be doing is getting behind a bill to BAN all domestic NSA spying on Americans, DEFUND the NSA, or ABOLISH it altogether.

    Edward Snowden is a far greater threat to the statist left and to obsama than Lindsey Graham ever dreamed of being. Snowden may have been the tipping point of America's blind lemming-like fealty to obsama and for that I applaud him.
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    Did I say that? Imply it? Offer it even in jest?

    Everything that happens at an Olympics is symbolism. But all the symbolism that matters comes from being there. Nobody remembers, respects, or reacts to a boycott, it's empty and spineless. They remember Jesse Owens. They remember the scrappy American college kids conquering the Red Army.
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    Let's not.

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