I get you--and agree, joshing or not. My point was only aimed at the comment someone said about Fisher. Urban--and I am NOT an Urban fan at all--at least showed success at various programs, with a varying cast of players--not just Tebow/Harvin. Take away either or both of those, and it would have stacked the odds against us somewhat, but those two surely made a difference. We still could have had a lot of success because of the staff being more competent than most. Chizik on the other hand, was NOT going to win his BCS without Cam. The entire staff and their abilities were not going to make up for what not having Cam would have meant. No way IMO. Cam was THE man who won it for Auburn. This year, even getting close to the BCS at FSU is not necessarily due to Fisher but much, much more due to Winston playing like a man obsessed. Take him out of the equation and Fisher wouldn't be looking quite so good---again, IMO. While Fisher may have what it takes to be successful, this year is not the year to measure that by completely. Just thinking those who may be propping up Fisher a little high at the moment is a bit premature. Even when Winston is gone, I honestly feel Fisher will do better than Chizik did as was evidenced by their slide out of relevancy immediately afterwards. Remains to be seen, but Chizik was indeed a fluke and he had little to do with that championship year.