OFFICIAL: George Zimmerman Trial Thread Week 3

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    Perhaps, but teenagers are charged as adults, and deemed emancipated under certain circumstances--2 potential exceptions that come to mind, with out even cracking a book. Even if there aren't any applicable exceptions, the defense would have at least been able to address teh issue.

    I still see a potential due process argument on appeal (although perhaps not as solid as I suggested earlier).
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    Shouldn't the defense have been prepared for this? Martin was legally a minor at the time he was shot and should Zimmerman be convicted it does effect his sentencing.
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    i still cant believe the judge tried to bully z to take the stand yesterday
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    Concur.
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    Isn't she legally obligated to inquire of Zimmerman whether he was planning to testify.....how is that bullying?

    I think she jumped the gun when she first inquired before the defense had rested.....however, how was that bullying or pressuring Zimmerman to testify in his own defense?
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    Mr West said to the judge he needs 3 or 4 hours to prepare if there is a 3rd degree child abuse charge added because it was sprung on him unfairly at 7:30 this morning. But as I've said before, she tunes him out because the two of them are like oil and water.
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    The point was made earlier... Zimmerman's truck was also illegally parked. Should the defense have prepared to defend this too?

    It's ludicrous really. It is so obvious that the prosecution has now realized that there is NO WAY a conviction can be had, given the evidence they have brought into this case. So, they are tossing all kinds of crap at the wall so they can save some face...

    It's a crime, really. I don't blame the prosecution team, but that Corey woman needs to go to jail. She is as corrupt as the day is long.
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    This has been a terrible misuse of the states power. It has shown throughout the trial that they're doing what ever they can to convict him. It's terrible but we know with how blatantly slanted this is that nothing will come of it either
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    Same token; the state could have charged this in the information. Should the defense have been prepared for the state to ask for an instruction on 1st degree felony murder on the predicate felony of robbery, that Zimmerman wanted to steal the tea and skittles? There's certainly the same amount of supporting evidence for the underlying felony.
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    I think West's objection, that she yelled over, was that they had not concluded and made a final decision yet. Trying to get him to answer before they wrapped (and probably before they had the final discussion with Zimmerman about testifying) was, eh...
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    Well when his lawyer objects and she instantly overrules him and beats and beats the question to Zimmerman to go on the stand looks like bullying to me. He couldn't talk with his lawyers because she wouldn't allow him too. She wanted him to get on the stand to catch him in an Ah ha moment.

    This trial has been anything but fair for Zimmerman
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    WHOA, wait... the statute applies to parents or other adults responsible for the child's welfare?
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    I dunno where Sanchez came up with that.

    The child abuse elements under Florida's statute (827.03) is:

    Edit: Oh, he's looking at "child neglect" and not "child abuse."
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    They're good, seasoned attorneys.....they'd be aware of and prepared for lesser included offenses and the fact Martin was legally a minor. West is engaging in drama.
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    She most certainly offered him the opportunity to speak with his attorneys.....she has to and she did just that.

    If she did want to force him on the stand then please provided what exactly she said that supports that.

    Zimmerman is actually one lucky man.....at trial, his spotty, troubled work history was never revealed, all the meds he was on never were admitted, his past history of molestation and violence were never heard. He was lucky also in that the SPD did not do a thorough investigation from the very start.....he was never blood tested and not forced to go to the hospital where his injures, or lack of, would have been examined and better documented.
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    How would Zimmerman have known that Martin was not a legal adult at the time of the altercation? You honestly are expected to ask for ID and proof of age before defending your life?
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    Ah, okay. That's what I get for taking a TV guy's word for anything legal.

    I don't think they've come any closer to proving intent there as for anything else, though, under that language. Just disingenuous machine gun prosecution, IMO.
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    It was out of line to attempt to have the colloquy at all, to any extent, before the conclusion of the defense's case. She compounded it by refusing to allow him the assistance of counsel in the unexpected exchange. You don't think O'Mara and West had told him that he'd be having that exchange... at the end of the case?
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    I fail to see any difference between the judge and gatornana.

    The moderator on this board and the judge in this case are both BULLYING the pro-Zimmerman side in a blatant abuse of power.

    I hope our moderator will understand that and show some fairness here.

    This is a KANGAROO COURT with a PREARRANGED result.
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    Nana isn't bullying anyone, don't be silly. And, hell, even if she was, it's still only relevant in the courtroom because of what the stakes are for the defendant.
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