OFFICIAL: George Zimmerman Trial Thread Week 2

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    He explained he meant his brain was still alive but he doesn't believe he could've moved.
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    Probably saw a gun or wanted someone to come and breakup a fight he was having with a grown that he had no idea why it was even started.
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    State's direct examination of the ME is complete. 10 minute recess. Cross should be... interesting, to say the least.
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    ME must have forgotten that this is not a M1, death penalty trial, where that could have been important - in the penalty phase - to prove the statutory aggravator, "heinous, atrocious, or cruel."

    Not necessary and highly irrelevant in a M2 trial. Also, a narrative. And highly emotional.
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    He was shot by a '...trigger happy gun totin' barney fife' type, who was a sociopath.

    That's why he knows everything there is to konw about GZ, beyond (and directly contrary to) the foggy picture painted by the actual evidence.

    That's what you guys just don't get--Chompy is IN GZ's head, man!

    :grin:
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    And her first instinct was to let it stay in. And, did in fact, since I didn't hear her indicate any of it was stricken or to be disregarded. She was finally wrangled into putting a stop to it, though.
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    Excellent point, Ben.
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    And than rushed the guy with the gun? None of the states evidence makes sense to me. The yells could be irrelevant.

    One guy has injuries, one doesn't. The one with visible injuries claims self defense w/i the law.

    Keep in mind, GZ called for help, he called the police from the get go.
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    It is -- if the defense picked up on that and ask him about it, anyway.
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    I respectfully disagree, sir.

    Not only is this emotional information relevant to the state's case...

    ....IT IS the state's Case!

    Without the emotional appeal, they cannot connect the dots to make teh elements--they need the jury to feel TM's pain, in order to connect teh dots--which are really more like a achepelgo of islands...if not a constellation of stars...highly removed from one another...and no real rhym or reason--but if you squint your eyes long enough, and think hard enough...you'll get the picture.

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    nm (total mistread.).:angel:
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    GZ called the police because he saw someone he felt was suspicious.

    I don't believe anyone said TM saw a gun and rushed GZ. I'm sure neither screamed immediately upon seeing each other.
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    Fredrick Leatherman:
    That means GZ was pulling on TM's hoodie.
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    The ME trying to be cute in avoiding West's questions doesn't do the State any favors. The State really needs the ME to come across as unbiased, and him disagreeing about what time everyone agrees the shooting happened doesn't come across that way.
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    It also means that it isn't in evidence. You can't convict on the basis of something that no one in the trial has said.

    That being said, those facts if presented would also be consistent with a loose fitting shirt that hung down from the body. If the shirt was hanging down from the body at the time the shot was fired, once the body was turned over so that the shirt was in contact with the body the holes in the shirt would be lower on the shirt than the hole in the body would. That's another fact which, along with evidence that the shirt was in contact with the gun but was not pressed into the skin, would seem to indicate that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman with a loose fitting sweatshirt that because of gravity hung down away from the body.
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    Assuming you are correct--is that supposed to effect GZ's explanation of what happened?

    Or are you just throwing that out there?

    (seems rather conssitent to GZ's explanation to me--perhaps you're seeing something I've missed).
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    Dr. Boa said it in the autopsy report.
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    Exactly.

    That's how I saw it; maybe he's got something else in mind....
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    Be that as it may, what impact does it have on GZ's version of events? How does it supposedly undermine, contradict, or how is it otherwise inconsistent with GZ's explanation?
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    Hahahaha, the ME just testified that he did something which should have resulted in him being fired the next day. This is why you sequester witnesses.

    The ME says that any medical examiner who removes wet clothing and places it in a plastic bag rather than allowing it to air dry and then placing it in a paper bag should be fired the next day for doing so.

    The DNA tech already testified that the clothes were damp and contained in plastic bags when he received them and smelled heavily of mildew.
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