OFFICIAL: George Zimmerman Trial Thread Week 2

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    Just my opinion. But I do have some knowledge and experience in this area.
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    Less than a helluva lot of people you routinely ignore, myself included.
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    Could you please state the specific lies you think GZ has told? Or easier, the sequence of events you think happened that night.
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    Not necessarily.
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    Given that you make about one out of ten statements about criminal law, criminal procedure, or evidence correctly, I'm guessing that, yes, necessarily.
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    Or (I know, this requires an incredible leap of faith, but. . . ) he was screaming AND THEN TM put his hands over his mouth. . . .

    I know (gasp!) crazy stuff.
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    I thought you were talking about sociopaths.
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    Because, in reality, he's a criminal mastermind the likes of which the world has rarely seen. Basically, this is what you have to believe to follow along with the tenuous narrative Chompy and Co are trying to spin.

    1. He wanted to kill TM and he did. Just walked up and shot him. Then. . .
    2. In a matter of seconds, and out of the sight of any witness, breaks his own nose and scrapes his head on the concrete to create the fictional injuries.
    3. Then, so confident in his own criminal mastermind abilities, he stays and fully cooperates with the police without a lawyer. This continues for days, even weeks. No lawyer, several interviews. But GZ isn't worried. He's a criminal mastermind of the likes one only reads about in comic books, knowing all along that these hick Sanford cops are no match for his superior intellect.

    And here we are. I bet GZ is twirling his mustache and rubbing his hands together right now, discussing with Natasha just how they will eventually get than damn Moose and Squirrel.
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    Could you be more vague?
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    No. But Zimmerman's sociopathy or lack thereof is pretty tangential to the elements the state needs to prove. He can be a non-sociopath and guilty; he can be a sociopath and not guilty.
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    Sociopaths are usually pretty sharp/intelligent. Cap'nole was saying just the opposite.

    It's like the folks who argued: "...George W. Bush is an idiot...who masterminded 9/11, duped the entire world into thinking it was Osama Bin Laden, and fooled the the H/c, Senate, and everyone in between, that Iraq had WMD."

    No. Pick your poison. Either W is a dunce, or he mastermined the greatest manipulation of interantional events ever orchestrated by a single human being....

    Similarly, either Z'man is a dunce....or he's a sociopath.

    He's not a stupid...but incredibly brilliant, habitual liar.
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    The ME takes the stand....
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    Statistically sociopaths are no more intelligent than the average person.
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    Question. Weren't Z's parents not allowed to appear in court because they might testify?

    Martin's mother just testified and she's been in the courtroom every day. What am I missing?
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    I don't understand that on either....
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    Think someone upthread referenced a statutory exception for parents of a minor victim, couldn't swear to it. If so, the policy reason is probably that the right of the parent to attend the trial outweighs the potential prejudice to their testimony.
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    She can still be called even though she has been in court and witness sequestration has been invoked in this case. There is a statutory exception to witness sequestration for the parent of a minor victim provided at 960.001, Fla. Stat.:

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    This is the first time I've gotten a chance to watch the trial live, and the judge overruling the objection of the defense to the ME weaving a long and redundant tale of Martin's suffering is... fishy to me. "still in pain, still suffering", etc. Absolutely an emotional appeal, and sounds actually pretty rehearsed as well. But overruled out of hand?

    EDIT: Okay, after a sidebar, suddenly the objection sustained and the prosecution has to stop letting the ME just narratively testify.
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    Surprised the defense didn't object sooner, in fact. It was a very strong objection. I'm still a bit O.O that it was initially overruled.
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    Thanks guys. Too Hot is preparing many of us for that BAR exam.
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