OFFICIAL: George Zimmerman Trial Thread Week 1

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    BTW, it wasn't transcripts. It was the actual recording of the call.

    No, it has not yet been admitted into evidence, and thereby should not be considerd as being "factual"... Yet.
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    Are you kidding me? They have been reporting his suspension from the beginning as well as his troubles. Also his Facebook photos and his postings.
    This kid was in no way a saint as you may think.
    He was found with drugs in his system during his autopsy.

    I'm not saying who's right or wrong here. I'm just saying that Zimmerman isn't being treated fair in this trail.
    I'm sure the judge is being pressured to make sure of a Zimmerman conviction.
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    No one said he's an angel. No human on earth is.

    However, he was not kicked out of school or expelled was my point.

    Take a look at facebook, many kids have postings of things they shouldn't but it doesnt make them thugs.

    Many kids from all backgrounds smoke pot, doesn't make them thugs.
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    As I recall, I think the defense moved the court (in limine) before trial to eliminate that statement from the tape as it is irrelevant and confusing (dispatcher has no lawful authority to command anybody to do, or to refrain from doing anything), or something like that.

    It was said originally, but kept out of the evidence.
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    Kids acting like thugs, makes them thugs. Before acting like thugs, they usually gravitate towards acting like thugs by being impressed by other thugs and wanting to emulate them.

    Rare is the thug artist that comes up with original thuggery on his own.
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    My take on this trial thus far:

    Brilliant for the state to use a good looking prosecuting attorney (John Guy) to deliver the opening in view of the fact that the jury is made up of 6 females. Believe me, women notice those kind of details. :wink:

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    He did an excellent job of delivery compared to the rambling defense attorney (West). I thought Mark O'Meara was going to give the opening pitch as GZ's main attorney.

    If opening statements solely determined the outcome, this would have been a slam dunk for the state.
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    Regardless, TM wasn't kicked out of school nor was he living with his dad because his mother couldn't handle him as the poster said. Also, he was not involved in any criminal actiivty when he encountered GZ.

    GZ has the history of violence and walks around with one round in the chamber but he has no thug tendancies?
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    The issue is, who acted like the thug during the event ? One ? Both ?

    And who did what thug act first . . . and last ?

    One in the chamber is legal with concealed carry. So GZ is a legally approved thug ?
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    I dont know what he is but i'm not calling him a thug as i dont know him.
    However, he seems to have more incidents of violence than TM from what we do know so far.
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    “Knock, knock.”
    “Who’s there?”
    “Wildly inappropriate joke.”
    “Wildly inappropriate joke who?”
    “Wildly inappropriate joke to start off a murder trial.”

    That opening blunder is going to make it in the hands of every late night comedian.
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    Not sure how you are able to come to this conclusion, given the fact that TM was a minor, and therefore, any record he may have had would be sealed.

    But hey. Why let that fact interfere with your fantasy?
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    So when he skates, what Florida cities see the worst rioting and plundering? My money is on Orlando!
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    That didn't stop his sealed school records from being exposed, right?
    His parents said he was never arrested. I'm sure if that was a lie it would have been refuted somehow regardless of them being sealed.

    But go along with your fantasy that this grown ass man, who was MMA training was getting his ass kicked by a 158lbs kid who had turned 17 less than a month prior to being murdered.
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    So, who closed the distance between the two ? GZ or TM ? And what was going on as that happened ?

    Maybe the jury will never know the best answers, but will have to rely on the only evidence available.
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    What was with the whole one in the chamber statement?? If you're concealed carrying of course you have one in the chamber.
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    Demonstrates that he was accustomed to resolving conflicts through use of physical force. supports claim as to who initiated the physical altercation. Is that relevant?
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    It was a claim made to play for those who are unfamiliar with weapons. Shock value, but little more.
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    Didn't Trayvon's dad when he first heard the recording say it wasn't his son's voice calling for help, but after he filed a lawsuit and came with an entourage of attorneys and listened to it the second time he said it was his son's voice? Also, didn't experts in the field of voice recognition said it was impossible to recognize the voice based on the tape? I think when the actual evidence is produce, it will be overwhelmingly in Zimmerman's corner. I do agree, West is horrible, and lacks speech continuity. I know he trying to be deliberate and slow, but he is hurting the defense.
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    Not really, no. I mean, unless you're talking about something so unconsciously habitual and automatic behavior that he threw down on anyone that looked at him cross-eyed, that's habit evidence. But what we're really talking about is trying to prove character with specific instances of conduct, which is a no-no. Reputation for violence, if he had one, is about as far as they can go, if they have a witness.
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