OFFICIAL: George Zimmerman Trial Thread Week 1

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    A thug who was never arrested?

    Even IF he was a thug, GZ didn't know it to be true and IF he was a thug he was not committing any thug activities when GZ encountered him.
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    I'm surprised.....expected them to come out swinging
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    Dave

    I looked when it happened but passed that same spot in the road several times since and didn't have to look to see what I had already seen.

    I have watched zero news coverage since it took on a life beyond other more current events.

    Make sure you don't miss a moment, it is after all a soap opera and some can't resist tuning in to the next episode.

    Even though, a new story will happen today and every day to follow.
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    HLN which is broadcasting has three black attorneys as contributors and are so biased as they speak. Then they have two females from the network sitting front row and they are continued to be showed and the one on the left is making her little face expressions as the defense speaks.
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    I will point out, however, that UNlike the prosecution's opening, the defense's statement is based on factual evidence, opposed to non-factual statements used by the prosecution.

    It's easy to say how things went down. It's much more difficult to actually back it up with proof.

    Prosecution opening: A for presentation, C- for presenting anything of fact.

    Defense opening: D- for presentation, B for factual information.
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    So much for the claim that the 911 operator demanded GZ not to follow TM, even though that demand would really have meant nothing.

    One myth about the case has been disproven.
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    A thug that was kicked out of school for drugs and fighting which is why is was at his dads because his mother couldn't handle him.
    He had pictures of himself with a gun on his Facebook.
    So where did this perfect model of a kid get a gun which is illegal for him to have.
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    What about this case does any of those facts, if introduced, prove or disprove?
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    Not germane to this case, IMO.
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    Based on the medias obsession with the case my opinion is that the prosecution would have had its hands full convicting on manslaughter. I am not a lawyer and obviously the prosecution may have something we do not know about. But 2nd degree murder seems like they went Casey Anthony on the case and overcharged.

    We will see...
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    He wasn't kicked out of school.

    He was visiting not living with his dad.

    Where's this pic of TM with a gun. Is his face in that pic you speak of?
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    I agree and I'd be curious what some of our legal minds think about whether overcharging (and losing on the higher charge) makes juries tend to overlook the lesser charges that are on the table. Take Anthony. It is my understanding that lesser charges (manslaughter) were available for the jury, but they didn't go there either. Could it be a result of the prosecution focusing so intently on the 1st Degree charge and failing that it nullifies the lesser charges in the jury's minds?
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    I haven't been paying attention to this at all.

    Was there ever talk of a plea deal in this case? Or is this another one where the prosecution is shooting for the moon despite it being a somewhat murky case as to the EXACT events that transpired? (i.e. Casey Anthony)?

    I think justice would be served if the guy was convicted or pled to some lesser manslaughter charge - got a few (5-ish) years, had his gun rights taken away (as a felon). It wouldn't feel right if he got off scott free for killing that boy, but don't necessarily feel he needs the book thrown at him either.
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    It's germane to the starting point some come from that all young, black youth should be shot before they commit an eventual crime, so GZ is excused.
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    "So, the 911 transcripts show Martin was approaching Zimmerman "with his hand in his waistband"...

    I don't recall hearing that bit of evidence before.

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    the evidence is the recording. However, that is not proof that what was said on the 911 recording was accurate, inaccurate, truthful, lie, etc. In light of there not being corroborative testimony it would likely have little weight for the defense. Unless, the defense chooses to use the comment on 911 recording as evidence. If defense does that the prosecution would then likely have the opportunity to question Zimmerman on the stand. Which is something that is unclear at this time whether the defense attorneys want Zimmerman on the stand.

    It appears your comment is misleading in that you seem to insinuate that the comment on the 911 tape is factual. When that may or may not be the case.
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    So, the question seems to be who should we believe? The 911 recording's actual words? Or that which come from the media talking heads?

    I'll take the former.

    BTW, Zimmerman also said that "he [Trayvon] is coming toward me and has something in his hand". That something, of course, turned out to be a bottle of iced tea, but given the darkness, it could easily have been interpreted as a weapon.

    Four hours into the trial, and already Leatherman is being proven to not know what the hell he was talking about.
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    He said he's coming towards me with his hand in his waistband, he's coming to check me out and then he said he ran off. This 911 recording has been out there for about a year. Its not new info.

    Also, the person TM was speaking with said TM told her he thought someone was following him. So maybe TM was trying to see who was following him. Who knows?
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