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MUST READ: Official: Discuss the nomination of Judge Brett Kavanaugh to the SCOTUS in this thread.

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by OklahomaGator, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. gatorpika

    gatorpika Premium Member

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    Anybody else ever get concerned about why Roe seems to be the central litmus test for nomination? This isn't the abortion court, this is the court for everything.
     
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  2. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    It's a very polarizing issue that motivates people to vote, raises money, and donations. It works on both political sides.
     
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  3. GrandPrixGator

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    I agree for the most part, but I think trying to hound a president re: his sex life or other such matters seems like non-sense for the most part.

    I'm interested to see if he is asked whether he thinks a sitting president should be indicted for (insert your crime here), impeached, etc. If he says no, how can he pass anyone's criteria for SC Justice?
     
  4. OklahomaGator

    OklahomaGator Jedi Administrator Moderator VIP Member

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    If he says the President can not be impeached, then he should not be confirmed.
     
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  5. gator_lawyer

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    If they get enough defections to stall until the mid-term, I don't see how the party won't fall in line. But they won't get those defections, so we'll see a handful of Dems in close races vote for him.
     
  6. gatorpika

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    If it means losing their senate seat? Don't agree with that.
     
  7. gator_lawyer

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    If Republicans are defecting, there's a reason.
     
  8. gatorpika

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    I get why the parties hype it, I am just not sure why the people seem to focus so much on that issue. So why not discuss Citizens United or the second amendment or asset forfeiture? Is he pro business or pro consumer? Lots of other stuff out there, but all I ever hear about is freaking abortion.
     
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    If what I read is correct Kavanaugh never even said this-it was in one of his writings and if you read the writing is says this:

    "With that in mind, it would be appropriate for Congress to enact a statute providing that any personal civil suits against presidents, like certain members of the military, be deferred while the President is in office".

    No, Brett Kavanaugh did not argue that a sitting president is above the law


    as usual this is just the left's hysteria
     
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  11. 92gator

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    Maybe that's because Roe is the Dred Scott of our day. If you can't see the patent idiocy and fallacy underlying Roe...it calls into question one's legal ...acumen, if you will.

    Notice how they all pretty much give the same canned answer: "...it's the settled law of the land."

    So it is, until it's properly brought before the Court...

    ... as was Dred Scott, before it was...nullified.
     
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  12. JerseyGator01

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    The issues are connected. If we had real campaign finance reform. Roe would be overturned yesterday. The abortion lobby is one of the biggest out there.
     
  13. gator_lawyer

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    SCOTUS justices have life tenure. You can't lobby them.
     
  14. bfitzy

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    I think the idea to stall into midterms could prove costly. Say Collins defects and Kavanaugh doesn’t get confirmed. There are 10 dem senators in states that voted trump, 5 of which voted for trump by double digits. There’s a high likelihood that the Rs gain seats even in a supposed “blue wave.” Say the Ds gain NV and AZ but lose IN, ND, FL, and MO. Rs get a net gain of 2 seats in senate. Trump can then nominate Barrett or anyone more conservative than Kavanaugh and get them confirmed without Collins anyway. That’s disaster for the Ds.
     
  15. gator_lawyer

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    I don't think he will. Why? For a few reasons:
    1. Rumor is that the Trump admin made a deal with Justice Kennedy to get him to step down (Kavanaugh is a former Kennedy clerk).
    2. Barrett's interview with Trump apparently didn't go well, which is why it was down to Kavanaugh and Hardiman.
    3. Rescinding Kavanaugh's nomination will not go over well with a lot of Republicans, and it will make Trump look like he made the wrong choice (obviously, Trump looking like he made the wrong choice is the much bigger issue for him).

    I highly doubt that anything happens with Kavanaugh.
     
  16. bfitzy

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    But do you agree that if something unforeseen happens and Kav isn’t nominated, would trump react by going even more conservative or centrist?
     
  17. gator_lawyer

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    I'm not saying they vote him down. I'm saying that they stall until after the mid-terms. However, if the Dems gain a seat (unless McCain can vote), he'd be forced to pick someone more moderate. If the Dems lose seats, he could go more conservative. But I'm not convinced that Barrett is the big, bad monster.
     
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  18. gatorpika

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    Dred Scott was nullified by the 14th amendment. The point is that we have been hearing this abortion stuff in confirmations since the 80s and the answer is basically always the same. All the hype is around abortion and little coverage goes toward their positions on other issues. I know it's an important issue for a lot of people, but there are a lot of other important issues out there that they bitch about when they come up but never during the confirmations.
     
  19. gator_lawyer

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    Call me naive, but I'm not worried about Roe getting overturned. It would cause too much chaos. I think they're just going to keep weakening it.
     
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  20. oaklandroadie2

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    Your number 1 has been debunked, even by WaPo. Shameful how that rumor was pedaled as real news by NBC.
     
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