Discussion in 'Nuttin' but Net' started by harnettgator, May 30, 2018.
Double posted on accident
He got off the court pretty quickly too ... but didn’t rip his jersey off and throw away. Where are our body language experts at?!? Just kidding guys.
Lebron watch 2018 officially underway.
No, there's just too much whining on this thread during the games. I hate whining!
I'm hoping these guys in Cleveland will have an opportunity to prove how good they are without James next season. Would love to see James actually join a team that's winning before he gets there. Houston might be nice!
I don't know the statistics about individual players, but it sure seems like LeBron lifts irrelevant franchises to relevance when he joins them and they've fallen off to irrelevance when he leaves.
I'm sure for the anti-LeBron folks it will come down to one of the following explanations:
(1) Cleveland does poorly next season, because LeBron was the defacto GM and left behind a weak team that he built.
(2) Cleveland does well next season, because LeBron actually had better teammates this season than the pundits gave them credit for and LeBron dragged them down (although apparently LeBron wasn't quite as bad a GM as we thought ).
It looks like preparations are being made for both explanations.
"Making teammates better" is an expression I've always been skeptical of. I don't really buy into making teammates better. I think you can help them perform by drawing defensive attention and/or setting them up with good looks for easy shots (i.e., assists). But, it's up to the other player(s) to take advantage of those opportunities. Some thrive and some don't. Clarkson, for example, was very disappointing to me in that he looked very good in the regular season, but wilted in the playoffs. I would assume he wasn't ready for playoff pressure.
Both times when he was added to an irrelevant team he was accompanied by an All-Star in Bosh or Love.
Which is quite the irony.
These Finals were boring. It's pretty ridiculous how good GS is.
I am hoping that next year the C's will be healthy. I think they could have given GS a run.
I love the way Golden State plays. They are extremely talented. But Houston was on the verge of knocking them out before Chris Paul got hurt, so it's not like they're invincible. Golden State is simply much, much better than the Cavs. Had CP3 stayed healthy, they still might not have beaten Golden State, but if they had, I think Houston would have easily beaten the Cavs in 5 games or 4.
I should clarify my statement about Curry a little. His defense is good, it's just not among the very best in the league. He does not have the size and strength to play bigger guards one and one, which is why Cleveland tried to get him switched onto guarding Lebron whenever possible. However, he's excellent about anticipating the passing lanes, and like the rest of the Golden State team, he plays great team defense with respect to switching, helping, positioning, etc. I also thought he deserved the MVP he won, but I was puzzled about how it could be unanimous. There are so many all time greats who did not win the award without at least a couple dissenting votes.
Well I deserve some crow for this prognostication. Good thing they haven't yet legalized sports betting in my state.
On the other hand, I felt this was going to be a snoozer of a finals and well . . .
If I hadn't have turned on the CWS game today I wouldn't have known GS won.
No one is talking about this series where I'm at.
Maybe due to no east coast teams involved and most expected a GS route. At least I did.
GS is much better than Houston too. You are right that they had them on the ropes, but I feel like GS would have been okay with CP playing.
True, but he didn't take them with him when he left. My guess is that if this Cleveland team stays somewhat intact minus LeBron next season that they'll be irrelevant again.
And he didn't bring any All-Stars with him the first time he went to Cleveland. It took a couple of seasons, but they became relevant pretty quickly.
We know that the Bulls teams were still pretty good when Jordan left for 2 seasons (cincinnatigator still credited Jordan with that, which is one of the more creative arguments I've seen ). I would agree the Heat teams LeBron was on would have been decent without him, but not sure they could have made the Eastern Conference Finals without him like the Bulls did without Jordan.
Speaking of those Bulls teams, who else is old enough to remember watching that long-haired hippie Phil Jackson when he was playing in the NBA. He had a pretty good jump shot that he liked to take from the corner as I recall.
Miami wasn't irrelevant. They made it to the playoffs the year before Bron arrived. You could add 2 alk-stars to any playoff team and they would challenge for a division. I agree Bron is the best of the game but he's not a perfect fit wherever he goes. Ironically he both made and ruined Cleveland twice. He ran Kyrie off because he is a control freak and now he's leaving the team.
You get no more arguments from me. Your greatest of all-time argument died yesterday and you’re now beating a dead horse.
The bulls were good for one season after Jordan left. They were a middling team in a dive before he came back in the 2nd year.
I'm not sure how many stayed up to see Stephen A. Smith's postgame comments on the late (Scott Van Pelt) Sportscenter following Game#4. I did and was really surprised by some of his comments.
Preface this share by saying I'm not a huge Stephen A. fan. His manner and style don't particularly do it for me, even though I believe he's pretty accurate particularly with respect to his NBA commentary and analysis. I've noticed during this playoff season, Stephen A. has maintained a consistent stance re the status of Cleveland's roster, and how the Cavs got to be in the predicament they're in. The audio isn't great on this video but it's worth a listen as it's relevant to this discussion and will likely be relevant to how/where LBJ chooses for his next team (paying closest attention starting around the 6:25 mark).
EDIT: ESPN in all their infinite wisdom clipped the latter portion of Smith's comments from the main video released and put out a separate YouTube clip containing the comments I referenced above. Because the audio is better on this one, I'm adding it as well...