Offensive Recruiting whiff of 2011 and 2012

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    Nothing wrong with just trying to find the possible root of the problem. But I can understand those who would turn a blind eye to it. Ignorance is bliss...
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    Yes and Saban is an excellent game-planner. In the 09 SECCG Bama came out in a spread formation throwing the ball early and often and shred our D, when previously Bama was a slow, plodding, running offense most of that season. He did the same exact thing against LSU in the 2011 NCG and had their defense on its heels. We don't have anywhere near those game-planning skills, or the will or ability to get aggressive like that, especially through the air and with tempo.
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    You would put our QB behind our OL, in a spread formation?

    That train wreck would be something to watch. Unless your friends or family of our QB.
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    Muschamp don't want to get aggressive through the air. That's my argument. Muschamp coaches nothing like Saban. Muschamp is running his offense like Saban use to run his. Saban understood that his offense was not working and adjusted it, Muschamp don't care to a just on offense. It will always be the same. Don't score to quickly, pound the rock, short passes, and control the clock.
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    You guys are completely ignoring the roster in your assessment of both Muschamp and Saban. Saban's offense doesn't do jack throwing the ball until he is comfortable with the QB play, as well as OL and receivers.

    Mark my words... when we have the ability to go downfield and mix plays more effectively, we will. Champ is a defensive genius and he knows an offense can't allow the defense to play a small field - it's too easy to defend.

    But you need a functional OL to even think about stretching the field vertically, or throwing the ball consistently, or you're going to get sacked and turn the ball over. Not sure what games you're watching, but we don't have a functional OL.

    I do blame that in part on coaching, although the attrition, injuries and past recruiting problems also play a big part. We need to coach the guys we do have, much more effectively.
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    Having AJ McCarren and his receivers make Saban's job a lot easier to adapt to...
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    By my count, we signed a total of 16 guys in 2011 and 21 guys in 2012. Works out to 17 offensive recruits out of 37 signed over two years.
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    Fixed it for you.
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    Guys, we have alot of problems right now, but this one is numero uno.
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    How can u actually say that when we don't currently have the personnel to do those things??? Maybe, just maybe Champ plays it close to the vest because of what he has seen in practice and feels this style gives us the best chance at victory until the offensive talent catches up w/the defense....
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    We don't have the talent to crack the top #100 in the country for 3 years in a row?
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    Like it or not ,this is what you get when you have a total change of philosophy,coaching instability,lack of talent,and a rash of injuries.Who on this offense outside of Harrison at center could start at Bama,TXam,LSU,UGA,Mizzou,AU,or Ole Miss??? Then add in the toughest schedule in the country 2 of the last 3yrs.....the offense has been a problem that has snowballed over a number of years and everyone expects Champ to fix it in like 2....ain't gonna happen.
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    No. This is what you get when you have bad coaching.
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    Me too

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    OK....let's hear your perfect solution coach... including who you would hire...
    ...you set the rebuilding process back even longer because new coaches have to reestablish relationships w/the recruits and players on the team have to learn yet ANOTHER system...... zero continuity.
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    Its Foley's job to hire the coach, not mine.


    Look I know how the deal works. Whomever I name you and every other regime dead-ender is going to desperately try to attack. The whole point of that question is to allow you to play Offense instead of Defense. Sorry. Its not gonna happen. Try again.
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    Normally, about 90+% of OL redshirt. That gives you 4 x 5 = 20 players on the OL, minus injuries and transfers. So 4 OL in a class is not too bad. Even 16 OL is not "razor-thin". We have gone into a season with as few as 13-14 healthy OL. I think F$U has gone into a season with only 11 OL on scholarship who could suit up.
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    We had a somewhat pathetic offense in 1989, and the only thing that made that offense go was a RB named Emmitt. When Emmitt left, the offense was a mess. It was practically hopeless. How long did it take to have a competitive offense after Spurrier started at UF? How did UF's offense do in its first game? Did UF's offense crack the top-100 in 1990?

    See what a really good OC / head coach brings to the table? (Hint: he doesn't bring excuses.)
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    In other words...u don't have a clue.Typical though of the entire pitchfork crowd.... they want someone's head on a platter....except they have no idea who UF could hire that would be an upgrade.Do yourself and the Gators a favor.....learn some patience and let CWM do his job,he has to completely rebuild this team....none said it would be easy.
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    Apples and oranges....not even close to relevant trying to compare the SEC of the early 90's to now.SOS said himself he could correctly predict what a defense would do 80% of the time then.....now he says he can only get it right 30%...if he's lucky.

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