Of the last 50 yrs. who would you rather have?

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    yeah, sure it is.
    :D

    when clinton assumed the presidency in 1993, economy was reeling from a second wave of recession following an unprecedented stock collapse in the late 1980s, a savings-and-loan crisis that saw several bank failures, and an oil-price spike resulting from Iraq's 1990 invasion of Kuwait. U.S. poverty and crime rates were climbing. Clinton promised both job growth and a reduction in the national debt: "We must do what America does best --" he declared in his inaugural address"-- offer more opportunity to all and demand more responsibility from all."

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/clinton-legacy/
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    Gee Cinton inherited a recession and left one for GW. You probably aren't old enough to remember the early 80s, and what Carter left for Reagan.
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    bwaaaahahahhahahha
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    bush sort of aggravated the situation (gramm leach bliley) by giving an ill advised tax cut, and the cost of two wars.
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    Both Clinton and JFK were inaugurated during a recession.

    Sorry, mistake. Clinton took office in 93 not 91, duh.The recession had ended when Clinton took office, but unemployment was 7.3.
    JFK and Obama are the only two presidents in the past 50 years to take office during a recession.
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    The Reagan mythology runs deep on this thread.

    While I readily listed him as the second choice on that list, he wasn't a miracle worker and certainly had some serious policy flaws and failings during his term as well.
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    Ben, the thread was in the last 50 years. Andrew Jackson would be at my top. River, Clinton had 5 consecutive bad GDP numbers which is indicative of a recession when he left office. I guess noboby remembers what it was like the last 2 years of his Administration. Apparently verti wasn't even around in the early 80s as indicated by his childish response and his factuation with Clinton, which has nothing to do with my view of Reagan as the best in the last 50 years. I guess he must think it's Clinton, that's his opinion. Our economy wasn't nearly as bad as it was for Clinton when he took office as it was for Reagan. Reagan was a remarkable president, but he wasn't perfect.
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    Reagan made conservatives feel good about being conservative, which was no easy task. :D
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    I did like Clinton, but Reagan had 8 good years. Clinton had 2 bad years, 4 good years, and ended his presidency with 2 bad years. This was a result of the recession he created and the dot.com fallout which destroyed investment portfolios. Kennedy sucked, and if it weren't for his assassination he would have been near the bottom. Johnson has bankrupted this Country with his Great Society initiatives. Both Bush's were below average. Carter was a disaster and Nixon would have been one the best if it weren't for him getting caught. Obama doesn't even register on the disaster scale.
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    One of the interesting things to note on the list here is the absence of people saying LBJ. He historically has polled much worse with the public than he has with historians and academics, so that may explain it.

    But if you look at the historian and scholar composite lists, once you limit it to the presidents set out in the OP those fairly frequently list LBJ as the best out of that list with Reagan and Clinton in a fairly dead heat somewhere very close behind.
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    i'd be curious if you have data to show that.
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    that's just getting silly. In Reagan's first two years of office, unemployment went from 7.5 to 10.4. It decreased continually under Clinton,
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    It's easy to misremember the past, I suppose. Reagan's first term while celebrated on the right for the tax cuts, wasn't anywhere near economically rosy as nc is making it out to be (as you point out). That said, things rebounded quite a bit in his second term. Though, I have to ask, was this due to the 11 tax increases spurring growth? hmmmm ;)

    And W did not inherit a recession from Clinton, though one did start a few months into his term and probably had something to do with the ripple effects of the dot-com bubble bursting not to mention that the economy was running so hot under Clinton, with the largest growth in modern history, it was bound to come back down from the stratosphere. There is after all cyclical effects to our economy.
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    As the saying goes, politics is about perceptions...

    I wasn't kidding all that much about Reagan making people feel good. Plenty of reason to suspect that is what people remember since on close objective inspection, presidential records are often more complicated regarding both their successes and failures, where our memories are not as incumbered by this complication.

    Same can certainly go with LBJ, who while overseeing a strong economy, gets the blame from older lefties (some of whom are now pubs) for the mess in Viet Nam and on the right for their disgust with Great Society programs and the CRA, which given the craziness of the time, probably overshadows the economic success.
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    I think 50 yrs. from now ...The consensus will be G.W. Bush...
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    Seriously? based on what?
    Unemployment was higher when he left office than when he took office. The stock market was lower. The deadliest attack on U.S. soil in history took place. We went into a pointless war ....

    so why would he be the best?

    nevermind, i assume you're just making a joke to see how people reacted.
    "Ron Zook, the best coach in Gator history? Really?"
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    I'd say Supreme Allied Commander in Europe was a real job.
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    That's because they were enthralled by the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act
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    I'd say (2014-1961) > 50. ;)
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    Sorry,I was looking at River's post listing presidents by growth
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    Because he made us SAFE... He rebuilt our Intelligence community... and the current administration is riding his coattails...After all...without it ,all the rest is doesn't matter...
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