OECD Ranking Of Top Countries In Reading, Science, And Math

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    First, strike China off that list, as they are the only country to only submit one regions scores to inflate their ranking.

    But aside from that...just pitiful

    My first thought is that the countries higher, as a society, place much importance and emphasis on education...which starts with parenting.

    Here in America we like to blame everyone but ourselves




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    On a similar note, here is a list of countries with the least happy students

    We aren't a happy bunch either

    Judging the 2 graphs, Singapore seems to be a model of excellence. Which I can attest to, as I lived there for 2 years as a kid.


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    Not surprised by that list at all. The average American is a dumb simpleton who can't see past the tip of his nose. He can't do long division, can't read past the 9th grade level, can't spell correctly, and definitely can't tell you basic facts about geography, history, civics, etc.

    Blame political correctness and liberalism. It is wrong to point out spelling mistakes. It is wron to fail someone. It is wrong to tell someone that dropping out of school will have life-long consequences and instead we are admonished for calling them "parasites on society" when they get on welfare.
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    That's as silly as blaming religion. After all, why work hard in school when God determines what will happen anyway?
    Just silly.
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    As long as unions run the education system you should expect our students to be sub par.
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    SMH..........
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    Like i said, blame something other then ourselves
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    And another wanting to blame another

    Teaching isn't the main problem, it's parenting, or lack of

    America is a very entitled society in comparison to the rest of the world, and I don't mean entitlements, but the notion that we shouldn't have to work hard for our success...

    There are more socialized countries ahead of the US, so i don't want to hear that it is "liberal" policies
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    I think parents are the primary problems but the schools also have to do their part. It is never ok not to stress spelling like they do in some schools today. It is never ok to teach with a PC mentality, afraid to call the slow kids slow and the remedial ones remedial. It is ok to fail kids ad hurt their feelings. It is ok to give trophies to the winners and nothing to the losers. It is also ok for every kid not to go to college. There are many wonderful careers that don't need a college education. But whatever you pursue you must work hard and do the very best you can. Dependency and welfare are never ok whether you are a surgeon or a janitor.
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    And yet, if you use the following right-wing think tank's state-by-state rankings of teacher union strength (http://www.edexcellencemedia.net/pu...nions/20121029-Union-Strength-Full-Report.pdf), you find no significant effect of teacher union strength on either mean reading or math test scores. This effect is close to marginally significant, but it has a negative coefficient, suggesting states with weaker teacher unions might even have slightly lower test scores than states with stronger teacher unions. This effect is robust to the inclusion of racial homogeneity in the state (since this is typically the second argument I see on here when something like this is pointed out).
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    you're right, dependency is never a good thing unless its actually warranted, but conservatives seem content to put the blame on "liberal policies" without actually proving it, not taking into account that there are far more socialized nations doing better then us
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    yeah, it is just the usual "if something's wrong, blame it on liberals no matter what" response. We're supposed to be believe that liberals are against spelling? (If Too Hot is any indication, the opposite is true ....;))
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    what's funny about it is that is the fact that the more educated you are, the higher tendency to be liberal, or vote Democrat....yet we are to be told it is liberal policies that are making people dumber
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    Okay, I'm going to ask a question that isn't PC at all....

    Notice that 100% of the top countries are either European or Asian (except Canada, which is basically mostly European). There's not a single Latin American or African country on the top list.

    Then, consider the performance of those from Latin-Americans or African-American decent in the U.S. For instance, here's how they do on the SAT (not a perfect comparison, but it works):

    http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2012/09/25/sat-scores-are-down-and-racial-gaps-remain

    The gap between Asian-American and African-Americans in Mathematic is massive.

    Do you think the cultural difference between races contribute to our poor performance on the OECD list?
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    I found this online, don't know how accurate it is, but it's similar to other things we've all read:

    • Fifth grade American children spend about 20 class hours/week on academic subjects. Four hours a week are spent on math vs. 8 hours on language arts.
    • Fifth grade Japanese and Chinese spend 33 and 40 class hours/week respectively.
    • American children spend 178 days in school as compared to 240 for the Chinese and Japanese.
    • Homework time for first grade American children was 14 minutes compared to 37 and 77 minutes for Japanese and Chinese first graders.
    • Homework time for fifth grade American children was 46 minutes compared to 57 and 114 minutes for Japanese and Chinese first graders.
    • Weekend homework times for American, Japanese and Chinese children were 9, 34 and 78 minutes.
    yes
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    Lousy teachers keep their jobs thanks to the Unions.
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    On O'Reilly last night, they had on two experts discussing this issue. One brought up the topic above and pointed out how little time American kids spent in school. The second expert refuted by pointing out that kids in the Netherlands and Finland spent even less time in school and do less homework than American kids and still outperform them.
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    This occurs regardless of how powerful the unions are? Because that would be the only explanation that would link the empirical finding that union strength does not demonstrate the effect you are proposing with this new theory as to why education is lagging.
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    Finland is often mentioned as the new model. But here's what a Finnish educator says:

    And a much higher percent of Finnish teachers belong to the union than in the U.S.

    link
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    It's definitely not because we don't spend enough on education.

    Should be relatively easy to deduce the problem.
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    3 college degrees here. Conservative Republican.

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