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Ocasio-Cortez Actively Pushing Democrat Party Further Left

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by madgator, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:36 AM.

  1. madgator

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    Looks like "the new face of the democrat party" is now actively campaigning for other Democrat-Socialist candidates in primary races against establishment democrats which is ruffling the feathers of many within the party. Some of which are putting out warnings that this could alienate constituents in more moderate districts.

    I've predicted that the democrats new strategy of "run democrat candidates who represent their districts" may be a good short term strategy but is just kicking the can for an eventual breakdown of the big tent party as ideologies are not compatible and leftists are not able to compromise.


    New Dem star to rattle DC establishment

    Ocasio-Cortez plans to hit the campaign trail for at least three other Democratic candidates in primary races this year who are backed by Justice Democrats, a PAC that supports progressives.

    That includes Missouri congressional candidate Cori Bush, a former teacher, registered nurse and pastor who is vying to unseat longtime Democratic Rep. Lacy Clay.

    "We're trying to take back the House, but it seems like they're just trying to go after Democrats. It makes no sense," said Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), who vigorously defended Clay's work on the Financial Services Committee. "I would hope that the new member coming in would ... keep the eye on the prize."

    Rep.
    Tim Ryan
    (D-Ohio), who has long warned that the Democrats’ focus on liberal identity politics risks alienating the blue-collar working-class voters in heartland districts like his
     
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  2. philobeddoe

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    This is good news.
     
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  3. G8trGr8t

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    only if it leads to disenfranchised dems in the middle joining with disenfranchised pubs in the middle to form a viable third party to take the power from the fringes on both sides.
     
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  4. gatorpika

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    Not really. If both parties are pushing toward the fringe, then there is less possibility for compromise and less gets done. When one party takes control then you have a bunch of crazy legislation that gets undone by the other party when they take control again. So either unworkable programs long term or nothing. Do you really want a Sanders type president and congressional majority? Because the Democrats will control at some point.

    Some of it is undoable as well. So say they taxed your 401K to redistribute to those without retirement savings. Do you think another administration is going to give it back? Or if they granted citizenship to all the illegal immigrants, they can't take that back.
     
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  5. gator_fever

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    If the Dems would have just stayed quiet and not pushed this socialist mess so hard and the eliminate ICE stuff etc. they probably would have taken the House. I doubt that happens now as they have showed independents again how crazy left they have become. It also motivates the base of the Rep party to vote.
     
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  6. VAg8r1

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    Said it before, if the Democrats hope to take back the House they would do well to listen to Tim Ryan. Although it will not happen, the Democrats would also do well to designate Ryan as the Speaker of House should they regain a majority. Young, dynamic and with a demonstrated appeal to blue-collar workers having been elected from a blue-collar industrial district in Ohio multiple times.
     
  7. madgator

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    Unfortunately, the party is not going to do that......they're going sharp left and it's just a matter of time before a new round of "blue dog democrats" are cannibalized by their own. Leaving a lot of democrats both the south and mid-west without a voice in their own party.

    When that happens. They're going to look for somewhere else to go
     
  8. madgator

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    Long term the DNC's new model is not sustainable. What I see happening in time is that the segments of the blue collar mid-west democrats are going to go to Trump and some will go to the establishment Bush/Kasich group. The democrat party will be a leftist fringe party that represents 25-35% of the population on the coasts. With at least one other party breaking from the republicans under these new coalitions.

    The good news it that long term, this will minimize the power that the leftist have and that more sensible government could become the norm.
     
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  9. oaklandroadie2

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    She is a great gift to Republicans. I hope her fellow "Democratic" Socialists primary every sitting Dem. Would be nothing better than filling the HOR with inexperienced legislators that have no idea how to move legislation. She's gonna be on MSNBC so much we're gonna start to think she's an anchor.

    Really know how to win back those white working class voters in the rust belt and fly-over country. T
     
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  10. madgator

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    I think what you're going to see if that some of the southern and mid-west democrats will join the Bush/Kasich establishment coalition and some will join the Trump coalition.
     
  11. gatorpika

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    There is a high hurdle for a new party to form though. To get started you need to convince people to vote third party, which means conceding elections to the party you hate more. You don't instantly have viable numbers that can win an election, but build that over time. So if next time around you as a voter have a choice of Trump or Warren from the two parties or you can join this upstart group that isn't expected to do well, would you do that or vote against Warren because she is insane or Trump is the lesser of two evils?

    Also if these people really wanted change, they could show up and vote in the primaries more often. When a party starts losing support and elections, they tend to look for ways to pull more people into their camp and adopt policy positions that are appealing to outsiders. At this point it's sort of hard though because you have two wings of the party whose policy positions are at odds. It's also always the harder core partisans that tend to show up in greater numbers for the primaries. Politicians have to appeal to the ideological wings first before they can drift toward the middle in the general (or not in the case of the last election). Centrists also generally disagree with each other as they favor some policies of a party, but others of the other party. So it's hard for them to coalesce around a basket of issues. I guess the question is whether they will get tired of the choices and results that the fringe candidates are providing and rally around any candidate that's not on the crazy side?
     
  12. VAg8r1

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    The Democrats will nominate candidates who will best represent their districts and states and that includes moderate candidates who have decided that it's time for change in the party's leadership. Two examples.
    Pennsylvania's 18th District
    Conor Lamb, citing need for new leadership, will not support Nancy Pelosi as Democratic leader

    The likely Democratic nominee for the senate from Arizona, who is leading in the general election polls for Jeff Flake's seat
    Democrats’ rising star Senate candidate just said she won’t vote for Chuck Schumer as party leader
     
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  13. homer

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    These alt left people are why it’s important to have conservative SCOTUS nominations.

    Every time I hear or read about them it makes me even more pleased I voted for Trump.
     
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  14. Gatorrick22

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    She had 27,000+ people vote for her... CHUMP-CHANGE, EVEN FOR NEW YORK...

    It's not like this clown has any shot at convincing Americans that Venezuela is a country that we should emulate.
     
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  15. Msgreentea

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    Any time anyone brags about voting for Trump I really wonder how exactly we ever managed to be a single somewhat unified country for a couple of hundred years and doubt that representative democracy is a sustainable model.
     
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  16. GatorRade

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    When very conservative candidates are up for congressional elections, do you wish for liberal SCOTUS nominees?
     
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  17. GatorRade

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    Why not claim she’s trying to emulate Cuba? Or 1945 USSR?
     
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  18. Gatorrick22

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    Lol... are they more successful? Okay then... either one will still make my point.
     
  19. homer

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    I’m not bragging about Trump.

    I’m commenting on why I think it was important to have conservative SCOTUS appointments.

    I don’t care for many things Trump stands for. Even less for Hillary.

    So far I’m about 60-40 with what he’s actually done as president.

    All the BS tweets are just talk.

    BTW, I’m a registered Democrat and an ex union member. (AFLCIO754)

    And I have voted Democrat when I find one that’s in the center, which is becoming more difficult.
     
  20. VAg8r1

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    First, Democratic candidates should ditch any label with the word "socialist". That being said, when left-of-center politicians like Ocasio-Cortez or Bernie Sanders refer to themselves as democratic socialists what they have in mind is Denmark, a prosperous democratic country, not dysfunctional authoritarian states like Venezuela, Cuba or the old Soviet Union.