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    The liberals who wrote this bill must live in a land of fantasy and make believe. Additionally, they must have "felt" that if you repeat fantasy and lies enough, you can eventually make the ignorant and naïve believe those lies.

    Well the chickens have come home to roost.

    How difficult is it to figure out that if you attempt to insure another 40 M Americans with no additional docs, it is going to cost all involved a $hitpot more money and they will receive less care. Pretty logical.
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    You need an Insurance 101 course.
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    Your need to retake basic kiddie math...
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    Uh, I don't think I do. I buy the insurance for myself, my family and our employees (small biz). And have for 15 years.

    1. Why did the 40 M not have insurance in the first place? Answer- Most could not afford the cost. Some have other priorities. Is a $95 fine going to change their behavior?

    2. So who is going to pay for the 40 M? Why the rest of us of course.

    3. And if 40 M are now going to have insurance cards, who will take care of them with no additional docs? Good question.
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    1. A bigger pool of insureds equals lower costs. Insurance 101.
    2. You pay for their healthcare now in the most expensive way possible.
    3. Better they be in the system than getting care from outside it.
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    Sure Fred? Care to explain why hospital stocks have increased so substantially since Obamacare approval? Could it be as most company CEOs and analysts have said, that these companies are looking at increased revenue?

    So if the old system was the most expensive,where does this new revenue come from?
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    A bigger pool of insured (if they pay for it themselves) would equal lower costs. In this economy, you have even more people unable to pay for the insurance than when the bill was passed. So who pays for the insurance for those unable to pay? Essentially the same people who do now...all of us who have insurance and who pay taxes. So now our insurance costs are increasing by 25 to 80%. Huh...I thought the exact opposite was to happen?

    How many without insurance will sign up? With huge subsidies from the rest of us, likely only several million. So 35 M will be in same boat. I just don't see the #s happening for the uninsured. It is not like they are keeping those insurance dollars under their mattresses. So the rest of us will get screwed.

    Rather than one gigantic, comprehensive bill that changes almost all dynamics, incremental steps were necessary and allowing states to be laboratories for best practices.

    The Titantic has now seen the iceberg. Does the Captain and Crew have the common sense to change course or will they go down with the ship?
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    us, etennant
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    The bill was half a loaf. It could have been better then and could be now if pubs would work to improve it.

    However, there only interest is in killing it entirely.
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    Yep, and start over. You are correct. And I'm guessing once people begin seeing their "new" insurance premium increases this fall, those who wish to do the same, will increase.

    Funny how those who want to keep it, think it will be free! And I guess it will, for the most vitriol supporters.
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    Really...they can't even BUY food....

    and those that might purchase will pay penalty instead....
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    Both sides are correct in part. Health care stocks increased in price after ACA was passed in large part because there was certainty that they wouldn't all be run out of business by a single payer system. But to a company they've all raised prices in preparation for its commencement.

    With or without ACA we need more doctors and hospitals to care for a rapidly aging population that will live longer than ever. Adding 40M just exacerbates what is already happening.

    I attended a private lunch recently that was moderated by the CEO of Children's Healthcare in Atlanta. Do you know how many NEW pediatric neurosurgeons were licensed in the US last year? 6. Six! If I were the parent of a newborn that would just scare the shit out of me. 6 new pediatric neurosurgeons for a nation of 350 million people. And we can all guess where they'll go-NY, Boston, Chicago, LA, SF and Miami would be mine. Or maybe Houston. Doesn't leave much for the rest of the US does it?

    ACA was desperately needed in form, it just needs to be modified for the benefit of all Americans instead of being used as a partisan tool do divide the country. Having uninsured, undocumented sick people use the ERs of this country while not allowing the hospitals to turn them away (which they NEVER will) costs us all 3 times over.
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    It would have been logical to include blocking the ER care loophole within the bill.
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    leave it to Gatorbill to scare up another ultracon website

    AMAC is the senior organization for conservative Americans aged 50 plus.

    and post an op-ed(opinion editorial) from a conservative blasting at ACA even though ACA is not fully implemented.

    Gatorbill---you can post all the prognostications contained in op-eds by conservatives it doesn't change the FACT that they are speculating(aka guessing) and trying to spin it against a political rival. Such op-eds are worth 2 cents or less(just because you post a bunch of such opinions from same biased writers does not increase the value of your argument)
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    Many things that could have been done but weren't, in part because the President led from behind on ACA and never set forth his vision, or attempted bi-partisanship until it was too late and in part because the Pubs wouldn't have voted for it anyway because their singular, publicly stated goal was to "unelect" him. So we all lose.
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    The bill was largely written by the Gang of 8 in the Senate, including Grassley and 3 other pubs.
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    uh- that bill was pretty close to what the hildabeast hammered out in the early 90's and had been sitting around in someones desk drawer- there is no way a 2700 page bill was written in the amount of time it took for the dems to take over and roll it out-hell it was obvious that they were just going to pass it without even knowing what the hell was in the damned thing- shab-at first you promoted this bill as the best thing sin ce sliced bread and now as you begin to see what it is going to do and cost you are saying it is only half a loaf but still better than nothing- you know damned good and well it is going to be a killer-so 3 years from now you will be in here saying once again it was either W's fault or some other pub-total bullchit and disingenuous on your part
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    You want him to quote AARP (who jumped in bed with the administration) who is totally for Obamacare because they think they can scare more seniors into buying their overpriced "endorsed" products because it is in their "self interest" to perpetuate the fat salaries and comp plan of those who run their "union".

    Paleease Old. Who do you expect him to quote? Valerie Jarret? David Ploooooof?
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    too bad you obviously have a problem reading- it says in my opening remark it is an opinion piece

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