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Obamacare mandate delayed

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by ThePlayer, Jul 2, 2013.

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    because that does not affect a politicians bank account the way a business owner with more than 50 employees might?
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    Those who designed this bill, think all voters are like theirs...stupid, illiterate, uninformed. The mandates placed on businesses, raise costs. So businesses have to raise prices (tough to do in Obama economy), alter or drop coverage, cut hours, cut employees, have employees pay more. So essentially, this is another significant "tax" on who? And how many hundreds of millions and perhaps billions have already been spent on consultants, compliance, legal fees, time spent reviewing options? And how many workers have had their hours altered, been moved to part time status, or even had their jobs cut due to the UACA?

    WHERE IS THE MEDIA?

    Can you even imagine if this had happened on Bush's watch? Or any Pub?
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    I'm going to repeat this post below until one of our resident Lawyers explains this to me.



    I want to know how on GOD's green Earth does the POTUS have the power to do anything at all about a LAW that is already enacted?

    Who gave him the Constitutional power to even intervene with this LAW? He cannot just change that LAW to suit his every whim, because it's not a LAW if he can manipulate that LAW with exemptions, and delays whenever he feels like it.

    Why doesn't the House bring this fact up before the SCOTUS? Sue for clarity, and control, of Congressional powers?
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    This is completely about the mid term elections. One the people realize how much their free health care is going to cost there will be a melt down. The MSM will side step this story as thought it were nothing more than a steaming pile of number 2.
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    To answer your question one of us would have to read the 2000 page mess to see if the POTUS has been granted the authority to implement the law.

    Ain't nobody got time fo' dat!

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    Okay, I figured the commies would give him Carte Blanch over this $hitberger law.

    But, I'm hoping I'm wrong about that. Thanks for your reply.
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    89-I actually waded through all 2700 pages 2 years ago and while a lot of it was in language that was difficult to understand-he does not have the power to do what he did-but the pubs are wusses and have allowed him to make other such mandates and edicts so why would they stop him now
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    Yeah I am pretty sure they gave the HHS a lot of authority. And that part of the law I am confident Pelosi read... :smoke:
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    The mandate affects about 1% of the workforce.

    The delay is being praised by at least some business leaders for allowing more time to figure out and adjust for compliance. Even some liberals have criticized this portion of the ACA for using a measuring stick which encourages part time employees instead of full time, but business leaders at the table during negotiations favored this method as opposed to looking at % of payroll (which was in the House version), which did not create a disincentive. Hopefully reforms will be enacted as needed as the law is implemented.
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    1%? Where does this come from? I thought the delay was on the employer side and employers provide what $ of health care coverage?

    Since virtually every one of our clients have told me confidentially that their health care and benefit coverage is changing dramatically with employees bearing more costs, higher deductables, copays etc and less coverage to hold down costs, wouldn't this affect a lot more than 1%?
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    So a federal government that routinely accepts numbers where >1% of IRS agents are corrupt or $50 billion lost as waste or abuse of an entitlement without any panic or special action whatsoever... is delaying implementation of Obamacare because of something that affects only 1% of people?

    Yeah, no.

    Anywhere you go, "2/20" is becoming the new normal already for a 40 hour work week, and for well more than 1% of the workforce. To even say it puts the lie to it -- only 1 out of any 100 people you might run into affected by the employer mandate? Not true.
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    If that's all the problem is then call Moc up, quickly, and have him light a fire up someone's a$$ for this.
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    In the meantime every single employed American is paying into a system that still isn't in effect. More $ for Obama to spend!
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    Thanks again Judge Asshat Roberts.
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    Most businesses employing more than 50 already provide health insurance. Those who don't employ about 1% of the workforce.
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    As bad as some of W's policies were his appointment of Roberts is by far the most damaging thing he did. He could not know that Roberts was an activist that would rewrite law later but wow...
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    you sure about that row?

    According to the United States Census Bureau, roughly 55% obtain insurance through an employer, while about 10% purchase it directly. About 31% of Americans were enrolled in a public health insurance program: 14.5% (45 million – although that number has since risen to 48 million) had Medicare, 15.9% (49 million) had Medicaid, and 4.2% (13 million) had military health insurance (there is some overlap, causing percentages to add up to more than 100%).[3] Employers are allowed to pay employees cash in lieu of health insurance, but this is uncommon as it is subject to strict IRS regulations.[4]
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    Yep, that's why it sounded like a crappy stat -- it's a crappy stat. Even businesses already providing insurance are affected because they are facing substantially increased costs; they have to decide whether they are in a better position to drop coverage and play the hours/layoff game to get out from under the mandate.

    In the meantime, the mandate all but metaphysically guarantees any business that's right around the threshold, will make damn sure to stay below it -- not to expand, not to hire more people, not to increase hours.

    Basically, the employer mandate is going to touch the lives of, oh, half or more of the Americans still able to or bothering to work.
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    Ding Ding Ding!

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