obama uses Zimmerman verdict to push gun control

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    Well, there goes the neighborhood. The psychotic Blake is back again. Guess the meds wore off.
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    Too bad our constitution says we have a RIGHT to own a gun.

    I guess anti-gun people should advocate for a constitutional convention.
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    It actually doesnt say you have the right to own a gun.
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    You are so sharp you just destroyed my argument. :eyeroll:
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    Well, hey, it doesn't say you don't have to house the military, either!
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    that doesn't change the facts about the cases.
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    You are going in circles, I can see I'm wasting my time.

    You said you can't pull a trigger if you don't have a gun.
    I said our constitution gives us the right to have a gun in this country. If you don't want to give people their 4th amendment right, then you have to get rid of our constitution.

    They you go back to doesn't change the fact about our case? okay, I'm done :/ You win, you showed me.
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    i'm not saying that no one should be allowed to have a gun. i'm saying it's often a really bad idea.
    sorry if it was hard to follow.
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    Someone needs to tell this piece of garbage president to shut up
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    I know. I'm constantly told by conservatives that there is no positive "right to health care" or "to vote" either, even though it is Constitutional. Just trying to promote some consistancy WRT to non-explicit positive rights. :grin:
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    Wait, what constitutional right to healthcare? Even the ACA case didn't stand for that premise. It stood for the premise that extorting people into buying health insurance falls, however ludicrously, within the taxing power.
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    And your explanation for the broken nose, beating the victim's head on the concrete (creating the head swelling, contusions, skin tears, and bleeding, and which in the circumstances was a deadly weapon [per statute and case law, it can be anything capable of causing death in the circumstances]), is what ?

    Take out all of the other extraneous stuff in the case, if the police caught two people in this situation, the guy on top would be charged with aggravated battery.

    I know that.

    The victim of an aggravated battery was George Zimmerman.
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    Wait, what consitutional right to "own" a gun? A right to own a gun, vote or to health care are rights infered under various provisions of the Constitution or other laws, but not explicitly mentioned positive rights in the Constitution.
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    Well, even in the frankly dishonest semantic tiddlywinks one has to play to wedge the right "to keep and bear" away from the the right "to own", the Court has erased any such distinction in its rulings. Show me where, "xxx US xxx" or similar that, as a matter of constitutional law (not statute), anyone has a right to healthcare?
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    Your the trial attorney not me. Surely you can imagine and propose numerous explanations for how and why TM punched and then assaulted GZ, including self defense. I can and have. The fact is, we don't know what happened. GZ could be both honest and correct - or not - in his accounting and we'll never know. But we do know that with a standard of reasonable doubt, an alibi which helps create that doubt is not thereby proven.
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    I'm not sure that such a right has been really "established" firmly yet, and really, it doesn't even need to be. You could probably argue the same for guns too, on the grounds that you can't own just any type of gun or "arms." I'm responding more to the argument put forth often in these forums that such a right if not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, that this somehow prevents it from becoming a legally held right. Clearly, as with guns or voting, such positive rights can come into being through case law or other legislation, upheld on a Constitutional basis.
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    So many bad ideas, but that is what liberty means right? But people are insisting on being "safe", and having "safety nets". You are willing to give up your rights, because things can go wrong is that your take? Well, I don't. I don't own a gun, I don't plan on owning a gun, but I'm very glad my sister and her hubby live around the corner and own many. One day I might want/need to get one.
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    I always laugh when people post that the POTUS is "using" a real-life event to advocate what he believes in...

    What.... you're not supposed to use real life as an example to speak on a topic????


    You guys act like its "against the rules" of fair play to actually mention Columbine, Aurora, Blacksburgh, Sandy Hook, or Sanford when discussing gun violence...


    Funny how that doesn't stop conservatives from bringing up gun violence in Chicago as rebuttal...(no matter how misguided that is...)
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    I didn't understand your last sentence.

    Alibi means you are not at the place of the crime at the time it was committed. I learned that watching Perry Mason.

    If you meant "story," which occurs to me now after re-reading, OK. That "story" had to be disproven beyond all reasonable doubt by the State. The prosecution failed to do so.
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    I'm not a big Obama fan and it won't surprise me to see him parlay this into a gun control issue but I like what he said here. All of our communities could use a little more compassion. One thing this case SHOULD have been highlighted in this case if people were allowed to actually discuss it is what has created the profiling that may have lead to this incident. The African American community must stand up and curb this culture of violence and lawlessness that has run rampant. Like it or not as long as people continue to see a parade of black criminals on the local news people are going to lean toward suspicion. But you cannot fix a problem that it is politically incorrect to even acknowledge. Maybe Obama can begin some dialogue Jesse and Al need to stand beside Bill Cosby and start telling their followers to stop buying into this violent culture that has been glorified by so many entertainers. That would be a huge first step toward stemming this tide of gun violence.

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