obama uses Zimmerman verdict to push gun control

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    Lots of talk but what action my friend? Do not actions speak louder than words and we have a prez who speaks much about nothing.
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    Obama used the term "stem the tide of gun violence". Although it WAS implicit, not once DID HE NEED TO MAKE THE statement specifically to push gun control legislation...AS IT WAS BLATANTLY IMPLIED.

    There...now it is 110% spot on what was said for those who think they need to deflect and spin.
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    You sound like the NAACP.
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    You asked for words. This thread is about words. Talk about moving goalposts.

    Violence overall is continuing the downward trend (including in Chicago). He has proposed toughening the background check system. The stimulus contained money for local governments, who are primarily responsible for the hiring of LEOs, which research has shown as an important factor in the diminishing of criminal activity. He has promoted community efforts with the goal of decreasing crime.

    Why don't you narrow down what specific actions you would like to see?
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    Passing lip service to the jury trial process and facial, grudging respect for the verdict, is how I heard his remarks, and then on to the eulogizing the memory of a dead teenager shot dead while committing an aggravated battery.

    It is the same theme the race hustlers are putting out, and not too much slicker.

    The boy President is at it again.
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    Imagine, a president who thinks there's too much gun violence in this country!!!
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    The Great Divider has maximized all the divisiveness he could muster from this tragedy. A president with unifying intentions would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning.
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    Kind of like getting a D+ and saying "hey, its up from an F". No progress on gun deaths since the 70's/80's although it is down from the ballooning of the 90's. For comparison car accident deaths are half the frequency of 40 years ago from safety standards, seat belt laws, etc.

    Politicize the debate all you want but you can't deny it is a serious issue in need of serious attention. I would prefer to see gun advocates discuss ways they are willing to help reduce the problem rather than watching them shake their heads like everyone else is crazy.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ushomicidesbyweapon.svg

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.s._traffic_deaths_as_fraction_of_total_popualtion_1900-2010.png
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    If only inanimate objects like guns were really the issue here it would be so easy.
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    What I find interesting is that Obama is implying (intentionally or unintentionally that Zimmerman's actions should of been stemmed and that Zimmerman should not of been armed, not be a private citizen on the watch, should not question a stranger in suspicious scenarios, and not of defended himself when Martin was on top and beating him

    What is ironic is that Obama missed (intentionally or unintentionally) missed out on a teaching opportunity. Too many young African America are either in jail or dead (before their time). The teaching opportunity I referring to is the one that Bill Cosby brought up a few years ago but was rebuffed by the Liberals in the African American community. Here is what Cosby said;
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_Cake_speech

    http://www.examiner.com/article/bill-cosby-speaks-bluntly-about-black-people-and-education
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    I've seen the movie Shane too. Shane: "A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that."

    Cars aren't killing people either. Drivers are causing the accidents. However we are living with seatbelt laws and paying more for cars to be equipped with safety features. Plus very stiff laws related to drunk driving on the books. We didn't ban cars, just regulated safety. How about serious restrictions and regulations on hand guns? Rifles and shotguns much less so. Just a thought.

    You kind of reinforced my point. Knee jerk reactions but no substantive problem solving suggestions.
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    Innocent and acquitted are 2 different things. What's beyond dispute is that Zimmerman provoked a fight that allowed him a self defense claim when he was getting his ass kicked. If Florida didn't have a stand your ground law his ass is likely rotting in jail for manslaughter.
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    If Obama is so interested in gun violence, he could start with his home town, which he has commented little.
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    How did that end up beyond dispute that he provoked it? Where was that in the instructions or the verdict form? Where was it in either side's case or arguments?

    You are wrong in almost every sentence. Zimmerman did not rely on SYG, he relied on the statutory right of self-defense, which in FL as in most jurisdictions, doesn't include a duty to retreat.

    The reality that will eventually need to be faced is that the Zimmerman torch/pitchfork crowd has been wrong on the facts and wrong on the law from day one.

    Zimmerman may very well be, bluntly stated, a d*ck. He may have been too nosy, too eager to prove himself, too unskilled to tell someone actually suspicious from someone not all that suspicious... but what he did not do is violate any statute recognized in Florida criminal law.
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    yep, all he has to say is "we need less gun violence' and they start peeing in their pants. a little history:

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    Oh....so they detest Obama with intense disdain as well? Didn't know they viewed him as the Pile in Chief to the same degree that I do.
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    More like crapping on the head of your hero.
    This is the same guy who only recently tried to use Sandy Hook to ban "assault weapons". He got his a$$ handed to him on that one. Now he's trying again.
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    just how did he provoke the fight? if GZ was black and TM was white we would not have had a trial

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