Obama, singlehandedly, forces the US to lose the war in Iraq

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    LOL @ Dick Cheney
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    Oh "Shooter" Cheney and his neocon buddies. Sit on the sidelines and get others killed.
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    mbwoohaha. seriously? you're actually posting an article by dick cheney to somehow prove a point about the downfall of iraq? shit, he helped engineer the downfall of iraq.

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    Barrack Obama is as guilty for the fiasco in Iraq as Dickie boy Cheney is the tooth fairy. Only delusional, very frightening people would put the Middle East tragedy on anyone but the Bushies and the asshole evil neo-cons.
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    Funny because before Bush/Cheney took office, there were no Al Qaeda in Iraq! His leadership created the power vacuum in Iraq and we first filled it with our troops. But even 10 years of occupation didn't quell the bubbling sectarian violence. Staying an additional decade would not have helped either.

    And Cheney still doesn't get it. He is still stuck in neo-con fantasy land and believes Iraq can be a western style democracy. Guess he'll never learn. Hope people like Cheney are never in power again.
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    Or, only delusional dimwits would fail to acknowledge the part that Obama played in encouraging AQ to take over Iraq. Not to mention the asshole evil liberals.
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    There was no Al Qaeda in Iraq when Bush/Cheney left office, either. Sounds like you would like to hold Obama responsible for AQ's resurgence in Iraq, but are lacking the courage. Allow me to do it for you. Obama screwed up.
    There is no question that GWB and Dick Cheney failed to come up with a plan for peace in Iraq. Part of the current problem is their responsibility. Dealing with three religious factions in one oil-rich country that has been ruled by a tyrant for 35 years takes some in-depth planning that GWB and Cheney were not capable of. Having said that, when GWB left office, Iraq was stable and mostly peaceful. There were (and are) opportunities to improve Iraq, but Obama is too arrogant and lazy to capitalize on them. He's as big a dreamer (and as small a worker) as GWB. Obama didn't just walk away from Iraq, he pulled all support out from under them (intel, military support, nation-building, etc.). Just like GWB didn't understand the impact of the three religious factions, Obama does not understand the impact of the three neighbors of Iraq (Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria), and that is what is biting him in the azz right now.

    Actually, Iraq could be a western-style democracy. It is very arrogant (and short-sighted) of you to decide they couldn't. It would take a different path than the one GWB took, but they are absolutely capable of it. The country needs to be managed a lot better than it was the first time (Bremer was an idiot), and it needs to be financed with Iraqi oil. Just because they were not ready for national democracy when we tried to give it to them, does not mean they will never be ready. It would take a full generation for people to overcome their tribal hatred for the other groups in Iraq and move past the violence.

    The tragic thing that scatter-brained liberals don't seem to understand is that Syria and Iraq (and Ukraine) are just the beginning of a cancer of violence that Obama is (accidentally) unleashing on the land. It is the proverbial tip of the iceberg. By the time we get a real president in the White House, it may be too late.
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    yeah we should have been involved militarily in about 25 countries by now, if there had been a 'real' president in the white house.
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    so iraq was stable when gwb left office? sure.....remember that guy maliki that the bush admin put in? his treatment of sunni muslims is a huge reason for today's mess.
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    It's not my arrogance that knows Iraq can't be a democracy today. It's my knowledge of history in the region. Sectarian violence for generations upon generations with the only breaks during strong arm colonial rule our strong arm dictatorship. No amount of planning from a group thousands of miles away is going to magically change this. Ever. Period. End of story.

    No amount of optimism and conservative dreaming was going to change the nature of Iraq. Not 10 years ago. Not today and not tomorrow. I've been saying this since before we invaded.Too bad the powers that be never heard.
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    the powers that 'were' (cheney/bush admin) didn't understand the complexities of the region, the religious differences, or else they flat out did not give a shit.
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    Iraq has about the same chance of being a western-style democracy as hell does of freezing over.
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    Poor Cheney and his fellow neocons. The whole idea was to stay in Iraq once we conquered it. It could be a staging area for further conquest as needed or desired. Dubya got his "spreading freedom" crap from his neocon masters, who in their PNAC manifesto called it "expanding the zones of democratic peace." In other words, conquering the Middle East. I remember Secretary of State Colin Powell, as the conquest of Iraq was underway, making a veiled threat to Syria if it didn't behave itself, as if Syria was to be next in this "expansion." What a laugh. Apparently Powell is now living in shame somewhere, where he ought to be, for ever getting mixed up with that delusional gang.
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    What's a few thousand soldier's lives and a couple of trillion dollars compared to the dreams of back-stage conquerors?
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    There's a special place in hell reserved for Bull's hero, Dick Cheney.
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    be sure to tell him hello when you see him there
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    You exaggerate, sir. There was nothing single-handed about this. The Vice President and a whole cadre of national security advisors, whose chief qualifications were their ideology (such as Susan Rice), contributed to what you see unfolding in Iraq today. I understand that the President is ultimately responsible, but give credit where credit is due.

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