Obama Screws Pooch on Syria Policy

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    http://www.usnews.com/opinion/mzuck...-best-example-of-president-obama-at-his-worst

    This is Obama's leadership. He seems to be oblivious to the fact that his support of Libyan rebels is what caused the Syrians to rise up against Assad in the first place. Obama did not have the courage of his convictions, and a lot of Syrians died for no reason other than the fact that they were gullible enough to believe that Obama was a man of principle. It is embarrassing enough that Putin outsmarted and humiliated Obama. But Obama's legacy in middle east foreign policy will be all the dead Syrians and the rise of Al Qaeda in the region.
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    Other opinion articles about Obama by Mortimer B. Zukerman

    Obama's Mean-Spirited Dismissal of Ben Bernanke Shows His Cluelessness
    Obama Is Costing the U.S. Credibility in the Middle East
    Mort Zuckerman: Why the Country Is Unhappy Under Obama
    Romney Can Still Overcome Obama's Dishonest, Divisive Campaign
    Mort Zuckerman: Under Obama, the New American Dream Is a Job
    Obama's 'Less Economy': Americans Facing Less Work, Less Reward
    Mort Zuckerman: President Obama's Economic Programs Have Failed
    The Cost of President Obama's Keystone XL Dithering
    Barack Obama's Middle East Miscalculation

    Well...you get the idea.
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    I get the idea. 0 leads from behind and doesn't have a clue what he is doing either on domestic or foreign policy
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    This is Obama's leadership. He seems to be oblivious to the fact that his support of Libyan rebels is what caused the Syrians to rise up against Assad in the first place.

    Read more: http://www.gatorcountry.com/swampgas/showthread.php?t=272190#ixzz2ffZpZCKJ

    Unfortunately, this isn't the first time we've had an American President do something similar. Remember Bush41 saying he would support Iraqi rebels after the First Gulf War? A bunch of folks in Iraq actually took him at his word and rose up against Hussein only to slapped down without a bit up help from the USA. Hey, I've voted Republican since Reagan; and, unfortunately, it seems like we don't learn.

    Get fracking...get the oil out of our ground...allow Keystone pipeline and bid the Arab sheiks and the rest of OPEC "adieu!" That will at least buy us 200+ years so that area can learn to live in peace. Yeah, right....
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    The way I see it Obama was bluffing somewhat on the line in the sand. So what though? Had we gone ahead and launched an attack we would probably be regretting it now. Not to mention, as far as national security is concerned, the rebels would have been emboldened. Most of them probably hate this country anyway. Seems like we open up a can of worms and own it after an attack. Maybe better and safer to have a President portrayed as weak than a country perceived as a bully... again.
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    Good post Die.
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    Y'all make up your mind if the Syrian rebels are just like the majority of Libyans, who love Americans and think we are heroes or AQ inspired sworn enemies of America.

    In the meantime:


    "Shortly before the Iraq war, when Hans Blix, the United Nations weapons inspector, said more time was needed to figure out whether Saddam Hussein was trying to build weapons of mass destruction, Zuckerman dismissed those who were “fixated on finding a smoking gun” and assured us that when Hussein said he had abandoned W.M.D.’s he was “clearly lying.” (What a timesaver for Blix!)

    Zuckerman’s long punditry trail — gigabytes of writing, terabytes of video — probably won’t come back to haunt him.
    Then, shortly after coalition troops took Baghdad, Zuckerman wrote: “Those who were so confident that America would mess up the war are now equally assured that America will mess up the peace, but all of them should be prepared to bite their tongues.” Sure, there would be problems, but “we are dealing with the problems of success, not with the problems of failure. In foreign policy, that is heaven.”

    In case you’re wondering what hell would have looked like, Zuckerman had provided helpful illumination before the war. You see, if we didn’t invade Iraq, our inaction would empower, among others, “Shiite Islamists, personified by their ruling mullahs in Iran.” Imagine that."


    http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/zuckerman-unbound/?_r=0
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    I'm willing to give Obama credit for having a foreign policy success in Libya (the Benghazi incident notwithstanding). His timing on the U.S. attack on Libya was very good, it was limited in scope, yet it was enough to allow the rebels to get the job done. Obama should have done the same in Syria when Assad started dropping bombs from airplanes on his own people. Syria has a more powerful army and air force than Libya, and it would have taken more than a couple days, but it wouldn't be that difficult. We wouldn't need to invade Syria to stop Assad from bombing his people from the air and make him afraid to use his heavy artillery. We could easily enforce a no-fly zone if that was what it took. We had an opportunity to transform the middle east into a moderately peaceful, pro-democracy region, and Obama blew it. He lacked the courage and leadership qualities to get the job done.
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    So, which of those articles do you consider non-factual? Does a journalist have to write a minimum of 50% (or 90%) pro-Obama articles to meet your requirements? Do you have any objections to the statements in this article, or is this complaint all you have?
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    Amazing isn't it... that on the same day Obama asks for more gun control in the U.S. (after the Washington Navy Yard shooting), he dismisses a law about arming our country's enemies and signs off on sending arms to rebel groups in Syria affiliated with Al-Queda.
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    Are you referring to transforming Syria only? I've never had the feeling we knew what we'd end up with if we helped overthrow Assad. It's easy enough to second guess but I am unable to reconcile that we would have been on our own militarily at any point since the Syrian war began. There must be a reason.

    Do you feel Obama could have engineered a better result in Egypt? Egypt strikes me as the wild West. I feel somewhat like any President would have been damned if he did, or if he didn't because fighting against the will of their people- which is what open diplomatic or material support for Mubarak amounts to- could not have benefited our interests either. Sometimes you take a risk supporting one side not knowing how it's going to end up.

    As an aside, I tend to believe we have more influence with their military than we let on and it's not a coincidence removing the MB from power is in our best interest as well.

    I remember an article about Obama's style as Harvard Law Review Editor(?) and it discussed how his style was not to say a lot and let things play out and the outcome clearer before he took a position. Same strategy in foreign policy I believe.
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    big problem is that if ME oil supply is disrupted it will have major impacts on world economies that we are intertwined with. if OPEC goes to $150 - $200 europe and asia crash and that crashes US economy too

    i doubt any Iranians are lining up to revolt now either. AQ did not have any influence in Syria until 0 and the west turned their back on the Syrian opposition and left the door wide open for AQ to move in. AQ in Syria is a direct creation of our foreign policy and the longer we do not help the real SYrians the more inflluence AQ gets.

    Who would you side with if one group showed up with cash and munitions and was willing to fight along side you and the other group decided to have a debate and then vote and then wait a few months while hezbollah and the Iranian Republican guard slaughtered you and your family?
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    Stay the hell out of Syria. That's the solution to that issue. Our not mucking around in their affairs is not going to cause oil to skyrocket. On the other hand our mucking around in there can definitely have an impact on the whole area which would include oil prices.
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    Wow!
    Thanks for sharing!
    You are right in proving that Zukerman is a real smart guy!
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    So you would have the U.S. be a country of greed, not of principle? What about Al Qaeda? By waiting so long to act, we have allowed AQ to enter the battle. What do you tell your grandkids when the next 9-11 occurs with Syrian terrorists?
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    It would be better to have a president perceived as being smart and strong instead of a clown.
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    Aren't you assuming the opposition in Syria was predominantly secular as it was in Libya? Even if we were able to have effectively done as you suggest there on the cheap - and I think that's a big if -what do we end up with and what do we own?
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    Someone who was so wrong on Iraq should not have a forum to lecture on mid-east policy, unless like Zuckerman, he owns the forum. That doesn't however compel the rest of us to listen or take him seriously.
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    Explain how it is greedy to stay out of another country's internal conflict. The very act of helping overthrow Assad could cause chemical weapons to fall into the hands of those you are speaking of.
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    What about the world's principle(sincere question)? If we had 10 other nations as principled as are we, ok. But we cannot be the only nation of principle. Shouldn't other nations share our concern for Syria's innocent? They certainly do not, even within an organization of nations like the UN. Something's amiss, maybe the entire world's just full of crap?

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