obama Co Sponsored Stand Your Ground Law

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    Hell, if I lived in Chicago or Illinois, I would be packing. Especially if I had a meeting with any politicians. Those pick pocket thugs cannot be trusted.
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    The difference is semantics and again Obama is looking like a horses azz!
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    He voted for it, but now he's against it....

    He voted against raising the debt ceiling but now he's for it.....

    He said he would close Gitmo in one year, but now it is still open......


    I can understand changing your mind when you become President because of all of the information you are now privy too, but just admit it.
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    Apparently Illinois Republicans aren't as convinced as some of you that the state already has a stand your ground law. They're still trying to get one.

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    What is ironic is if Zimmerman had shot Martin in Illinois, the very law that 0bama supported would have prevented Zimmerman from ever getting charged in civil court.

    And to be clear, there are a lot of people using SYG and self defense as if they are the same, which is not the case. So while technically 0bama didn't vote on strengthening SYG legislation, he did vote to strengthen self defense legislation and now wants to waffle on that. The way I read the Illinois law it is basically a SYG law, but they aren't calling it SYG.
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    don't think that's true at all.
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    Not unless Zimmerman had shot Martin inside Zimmerman's house or car.
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    Plus tack on a concealed weapons charge :laugh:
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    There are 3 parts to the Ill law one is the castle law however there is the folling part of the law also


    "To defend “other property”—real property that’s not a dwelling, or personal property—regular force is OK to prevent or stop someone’s “trespass on or criminal interference with” that property.

    “Deadly force” means “force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm.” When you’re defending yourself or someone else, deadly force is OK only if you reasonably believe it’s necessary “to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm” to yourself or another.

    When you’re defending yourself or someone else, or stopping that “trespass on or criminal interference with” other property, deadly force is also OK to prevent “the commission of a forcible felony.”
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    But how does that apply?
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    It means Zimmerman did not have to shoot him in his home or car so the law is not just a castle law
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    The problem with this statement is that there was EVER a DUTY to retreat in the first place. That means that the VICTIM, if they don't retreat, could be held complicit in their own murder for refusing to retreat.

    Even before SYG, I never fled from a confrontation that I even THOUGHT might escalate into violence. As long as I did not start the violence, I was confident that I could handle it and justify even killing the other person(s) in self-defense, if it came to that.

    I did not, and still do not, advocate putting oneself in a position where I knew the might be violence. But, if it came, I do not think anybody should have ever been required (had a DUTY) to run from it.
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    *if* a crime was being committed on someone's property. That's why I asked how it applied.

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