obama Co Sponsored Stand Your Ground Law

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  1. diehardgator1
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    obama co sponsored a bill in 2004 and was passed all most by a unanimous vote that was mostly Dem. My how times change in politics


    "A great piece by John Fund on how Obama co-sponsored Stand Your Ground law in 2004 and it went on to pass by a near unanimous vote in Illinois – by Democrats. Just goes to show this whole escapade on race isn’t really about the Stand Your Ground law. The law is simply being used as a point of focus to gin up racial angst and outrage in order to divide this nation:


    S.B. 2386 passed the Illinois state senate by 56–0 vote on March 25, 2004. It sailed through the state house with only two “nay” votes. Both chambers were controlled by Democrats.

    http://therightscoop.com/if-obama-d...hy-did-he-co-sponsor-and-vote-for-it-in-2004/
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    I'm guessing that's not true. Just a guess, of course.
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    Would guess The Washington Times is wrong also

    "President Obama may currently be calling on the states to review their respective “stand your ground” gun laws, but he wasn’t always so opposed to the right-to-carry rule.

    In 2004, while a senator in Illinois, he co-sponsored legislation that allowed for the same rights.

    SEE ALSO: Prominent black leaders split on Trayvon verdict, calls for Florida boycott

    The pertinent legislation was SB 2386, amending the criminal code of 1961. It was introduced in the 93rd General Assembly session and passed into law on July 28, 2004.

    Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...onsored-stand-your-ground-law-/#ixzz2ZpQP3icA
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    Better go run to factcheck now so the liberal side of things can be shown.:ninja:
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    diehard, what's the single element that differentiates stand your ground laws from basic self defense laws?
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    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...trengthening-illinois-stand-your-ground-laws/

    “Stand your ground’ is substantively different than what Obama backed in Illinois,” he explains. “[President Obama] backed a tweak to the ‘castle doctrine.’”

    Weigel notes the following passage from the “castle doctrine”:

    A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent or terminate such other’s trespass on or other tortious or criminal interference with her real property (other than a dwelling) or personal property, lawfully in his possession or in the possession of another who is a member of his immediate family or household or of a person whose property he has a legal duty to protect.

    This is clearly different from the type of laws President Obama referred to in last week’s surprise presser.

    ...

    Here’s how the Florida law is worded:

    A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
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    Not being a lawyer but Really see very little difference Either way you can use deadly force if needed
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    Yes, that's the bill. The difference between stand your ground and basic self-defense is that under stand your ground, you have no obligation to retreat or to avoid the confrontation in any way.
    Read that bill and see if that's in there.

    Beyond that, Illinois doesn't even have stand your ground. So how could Obama have strengthened it?
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    Well, the property component is what's different. Illinois' has a castle doctrine. Florida has a castle doctrine. Florida also has abrogated the common law duty to retreat from its self-defense statute. And Florida has also gone the extra step of adding a procedural mechanism to grant criminal and tort immunity in cases of such use of force in self-defense. Only that last makes Florida stand out at all in this country, and it's the part that played no part in the criminal trial. Castle doctrines are a majority rule, and abrogation of the common law duty to retreat is a majority rule.
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    So why didn't he vote against it instead of voting to make the law stronger
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    Meanwhile, I'm sure message boards and rightwing blogs all over the country right now are filled up with "Hey, did you know that Obama voted for Stand Your Ground!!!!
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    He made self defense law stronger, not stand your ground. That's why I asked you if you understood the difference.
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    Seems as though obama has put his foot in his mouth once again now lets see how he gets it out
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    ... which is the majority rule in the US...

    ... which is not the law in the State of Florida. Even if one knew nothing at all about the Florida self-defense statute than a read through of the jury instructions, would know this is not the law in Florida. But, for those that didn't, it's also been explained dozens of times on this forum, but to no avail.

    From the jury instructions --

    And also for the dozens-nth of times, even if Zimmerman had a duty to retreat, any jurisdiction in which one is still imposed would still consider being pinned to the ground in a fight to satisfy the duty.
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    :grin::grin::grin:
    just don't care about the facts, do you?
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    Ouch... that's like an inconvenient truth. Isn't it. :grin:
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    or the never ending apologies for prezBO pertaining to his actions and comments
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    "Sunday, July 21, 2013
    Obama co-sponsored legislation strengthening Illinois' "stand your ground" law

    20obama-articleLargeCHICAGO - This past week President Obama publicly urged the reexamination of state self-defense laws (see remarks below). However, nine years ago then-State Sen. Barack Obama actually co-sponsored a bill that strengthened Illinois' 1961 "stand your ground" law.

    The Obama-sponsored bill (SB 2386) enlarged the state's 1961 law by shielding the person who was attacked from being sued in civil court by perpetrators or their estates when a "stand your ground" defense is used in protecting his or her person, dwelling or other property.

    http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/i...tand-your-ground-when-in-illinois-senate.html
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    If it's really a castle doctrine that's definitely different than stand your ground.
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