obama and his fundamentally changing the US mantra strikes again

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by g8orbill, Jun 25, 2013.

  1. gatordowneast

    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    Certainly some were concerned with global cooling. Plenty of articles on the subject but in reality, it does not really matter. My point is that no one really knows. There has been no global warming for the last 15 years, has there? And we have no idea what cycle we are in do we?

    The entire global warming/climate change scam is exactly that...a scam. And idiots like Fat Al Gore have cashed in while the ignorant who buy this religion waste their enthusiasm, emotion and funds on nonsense. Any Chevy Volt owners out there?
  2. g8orbill

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    Just the one's that brings prayer rugs with them.....
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    Keep telling yourself that... and soon enough you might even believe it.
  6. GatorRade

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    Again, rick, you believing something is a leftist plot isn't exactly a rare occurrence.

    If you actually want to know why environmental protection isn't socialism, I'd be happy to explain it, but I suspect your mind isn't really open on this topic.
  7. Gatorrick22

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    Why is it so easy for you to get sidetracked? We're talking about the EPA (among other agencies) and how Obama is misusing them to circumvent the congress... hence the "Socialism" in his actions.
  8. GatorBen

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    He's "circumventing the Congress" by doing exactly what EPA already has Congressional authorization to do.

    Even if they lacked the authority, though, it wouldn't make is "Socialism." Undemocratic? You could fairly level that charge I think, but exceeding a congressional delegation of authority doesn't make something "socialism" given that the word actually does have a meaning.
  9. MichiGator2002

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    So he isn't overreaching his authority, he is just an empty suit making vain and hollow rhetorical gestures?
  10. DeanMeadGator

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    "There you go again."

    Query: Obama and his cronies are willing to invest billions in "green energy" companies that no banker would make a small loan to. Those who support this would not do so if they had the earn the money that is wasted, would they?

    Name one financial institution or other lender that would "invest" [to wit, give away] billions in unproven companies with no product, no financial statement, no profit and no operating history.

    Let's remember that it is future generations that will pay for all of this. It's easy when you don't have to account for it, don't have to repay it and don't have to earn what is spent. Green energy is a hole into which green money earned by the hard work of others is being poured.

    Since when did the government become a lender or investor? That is what private enterprise [anyone remember that concept] does.

    Don't earn it, spend it without constraint and don't worry. Others will have to pay. Anyone can waste money when they don't have to earn it, repay it, account for it, or manage it wisely.
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    There are no Global Warming Carbon based laws on our books, and UN Treaties can only be enacted if the Congress of The United States votes them into law.
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    No, I think the preference would have been to regulate in the form of cap & trade, which would have required a new Congressional authorization. Failing to get that authorization though, changes to air pollution standards clearly are available as an alternative (strangely one that is probably less appealing to both sides) that the EPA already had authority to do, and he's saying that now they'll take that route instead if Congress won't authorize a cap & trade regulatory scheme.
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    Note: in his entire decree from the heavens, he never once mentioned the word "JOBS" .

    His end around Congress will put tens of thousands of our citizens out of work and kill the coal industry.

    Hope my son gets a government job.

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    Exactly.
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    this will also give him cover to kill the keystone xl and then to place such onerous restrictions on oil drilling that even the onshore boom on private property will be curtailed.

    and Row, when nat gas reaches $3.85 or so coal becomes the cheapest form of electric production

    just what the country needs right now, higher electric costs and less drilling to increase our imports and increase unemployment.....brilliant
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    "The Constitution is so 235 years ago." -Anonymous Liberal
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    You should read my thread on the Democratic Party being the party of lawlessness.
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    I think your confusing Socialism with tyranny.

    Obamas issuance of an executive order is hardly Socialism when the power is already vested in government. Guess that's why it's in quotes but many on here forget that Socialism is an economic system.

    And the use of Presidential EO's is hardly new,although utilization of them has proliferated greatly the past few decades. Bush, for example, issued 275+ and I don't see anyone saying he's a Socialist. Obamas at about 160 by comparison while Clinton had more
  19. g8orbill

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    north-it is not about how many-but what they accomplish
  20. oldgator

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    get used to it---exec orders and bully pulpit will be Obama's main methods. The GOP proved during his first term that they were going to obstruct. Obama made efforts during first term to make compromises with GOP. But for the most part the GOP house decided to say 'no' to Obama initiatives. Even when those initiatives were consistent with what GOP wanted.

    Obama is sane. HE realizes that to keep attempting to make compromises would result in GOP still being obstructionist. So Obama has decided to use other methods, entirely constitutional methods a POTUS can use.
    1. Bully pulpit
    2. Exec Orders

    so enough of your BS Gatorbill of claiming Obama is unconstitutionally attempting to circumvent Congress. He is simply implementing laws CONGRESS HAS ALREADY PASSED.

    AND YOU KNOW DAMN WELL A GOP POTUS WOULD DO SAME METHODS IF ROLE WERE REVERSED.

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