obama and his fundamentally changing the US mantra strikes again

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  1. GatorRade
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    Very good points.
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    He's basing his and the EPA's power to regulate power generating emissions from the Clear Air Act. All of the amendments say nothing about power generation plants.


    So, where's his authority to invent a new tax on carbon emissions emitted though power generating plants?

    http://epa.gov/oar/caa/caa_history.html
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    It doesn't have to specifically mention a power plant, a power plant is a "stationary source" which can be regulated under the CAA within the meaning of even the original Clean Air Act.
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    I saw that too, but does the EPA have the legal power to increase the cost of energy without Congressional approval? Fines are one thing, but carbon based increases amounts to a brand new type of tax.
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    Sure, in fact essentially everything the EPA does is increasing the (dollar) cost of something, it's the nature of regulation.

    There are some limits as to what specific things they can do which might have the effect of raising the cost, but setting air quality standards for plants or requiring the installation of various emissions capture equipment as a requirement for repermitting (the two ideas that, at least from what I've listened to, would likely be the backbone of this regulatory scheme/executive action) are fairly clearly within EPA's current regulatory authority.
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    This is going to be tied up in court for a while, I'd guess. Perhaps a long while.
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    Special despite liberals and their deadbeat followers. Declining quickly.
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    The Global Warming carbon tax that Obama is implementing on power generating plants mirrors UN AGW treaties. No POTUS can extend foreign treaties and pass them off as laws that govern U.S. citizens and businesses without the approval of congress.

    This whole Clean Air Act might be misused and un-Constitutional in it's current form. The mere fact that Cap & Trade was shot down by an all Dem congress, yet Obama still did an end-around with the help of the EPA, and implemented it anyway, may be the death-knell of that law's Constitutionality.
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    I am sure liberals have caused their share of economic problems, but as a self-described libertarian, I'd expect you to recognize liberals are the ones advancing social liberty.
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    Demos have written off most coal producing states. However China and India are opening coal burning plants weekly and our coal will go somewhere...overseas. So Obama's actions won't solve global warming (if there is any, since in the early 70s climatologists were concerned with global cooling. http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html)

    It is simply Obama pandering to the enviro lefties and of course Obama himself is a believer and privately wants to punish the coal industry.
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    No, most climatologists were not concerned with global cooling in the '70s. Most were concerned with global warming. How many times do we have to do this?

    "Global cooling was a conjecture during the 1970s of imminent cooling of the Earth's surface and atmosphere along with a posited commencement of glaciation. This hypothesis had little support in the scientific community, but gained temporary popular attention due to a combination of a slight downward trend of temperatures from the 1940s to the early 1970s and press reports that did not accurately reflect the scientific understanding of ice age cycles."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_cooling

    A study done recently of scientific literature during this period confirmed that most scientists were already predicting warming.
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    In some rare instances yes. Though the way liberals try to force their social liberties down ones throat isn't libertarian-like
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    You'll take those liberties secured through the democratic process, and like them, dammit. :crazy:
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    Keep trying
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    I don't think believe instances are as rare as you think. Do you get as irritated with The way conservatives force their economic liberties down one's throat?
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    I get irritated when anything is shoved down my throat.
    The difference is, conservatives are a much more muted group than liberals. I would prefer both to be muted.
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    BS! In school all we talked about was the next ice age that was coming.
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    Will that be before, or after, the decapitations ?
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    I guess we are running in different circles then, because for every liberal, "recognize minority rights!" outburst I see, I also see a conservative, "Lower spending!" outburst as well.
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    OH, you went to Cal Tech and worked on glaciers - or what?

    We talked about chicks and drugs.

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