Obama and a horse's a$$

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  1. ThePlayer
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    Unbelievable!
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    Oh, I thought you meant O was a horse's ass. At least that makes sense.
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    Damn, that law is almost as old as the Constitution. No way it could be relevant!
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    I doubt this was "Obama's argument." More likely, at some point the question was raised of "can we do this?" and a lengthy memo got put together in IRS's GC office concluding that they arguably can.

    That being said, regardless of the merits of the argument that this provides statutory authority, I think regulation of paid tax preparers is probably a good thing. Everyone else providing similar services is subject to some regulation (enrolled agents, CPAs, tax lawyers); when you look at what they do, and why a confirmed minimum level of competence should be desired, I don't see an argument as to why the role of tax preparers should not similarly demand competence.
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    Do you lefties really support all these regulations? Honest question.
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    I can't speak for all "lefties," but personally, I am all for the Government's power to regulate unscrupulous dead horse claim agents.
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    In this instance? Yes.

    Why am I hiring someone else do my taxes? Presumably because I don't know how to do it myself. And, that being the case, it also means I lack the knowledge necessary to assess whether this guy is any good at doing taxes or not since, after all, if I had that knowledge I would just be doing my own taxes to start with.

    A regulated minimum level of competence is necessary to protect consumers - who lack the ability to determine competence on their own - from hiring somebody who is no better at preparing taxes than they are, but has realized that he can make money by doing so. It's the same reason there are minimum standards for most professional careers - a normal consumer who isn't a doctor/lawyer/accountant/whatever lacks the ability to determine whether their doctor/lawyer/accountant/whatever is competent or not until they are already past the point where they have major problems if it turns out that the answer was "no."
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    Another profession to over-regulate and add a licensure to that is completely unnecessary, great! In fairness, the states are even worse about this than the fed. Florists, decorators, hair stylists, sigh. Contract or tort law are the remedy an individual has against their tax preparer, but they assume the risk themselves. Oh, wait, I said "risk" in our post-individual responsibility nanny state climate.
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    A few questions:

    a) What makes someone a "tax preparer?" (Charging a fee?)

    b) Do states regulate the tax prep business already?
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    They both put out a lot of crap.
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    Please don't mention the Constitution, because Obama only uses it when it helps his cause. The rest of the time it's an outdated piece of paper that the Liberals would like to ignore.
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    ""Preparing a tax return is not a representative act," Alban said. "It is performing a service, certainly, but there's no representation."

    I agree.
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    title of thread should have said is a horses azz
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    Please explain to me how tax preparation falls into the interstate commerce definition?
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    So this is basically an admission that the common person can no longer understand how to pay their taxes. Therefore we need to make sure that the people who help everyone else know how to sort through this complicated mess. Awesome!

    9-9-9
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    Regulate the same as doctors, lawyers, engineers. Too many jack legs in the business committing fraud and harming consumers.
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    Now those who say the rich don't pay their amount can have new ways to hide the fact that they didn't pay their own at all
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    I started with that, Bill...but I'm already on probation here. :ninja:
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    It doesn't fit though, horses are pretty useful. We would have to find some other less useful animal for an equal comparison.

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