Obama’s War on Prosperity and His Major Constituencies

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    I don't think obama's contituencies can be defined any better than this...

    http://spectator.org/archives/2013/06/27/obamas-war-on-prosperity


    So what is going on here? Why is President Obama so utterly unconcerned about economics, so blasé about unemployment, so absorbed with tales about the coming environment apocalypse? Well, here’s my analysis.

    President Obama has managed to win election by assembling two major constituencies:

    1) a lumpen proletariat that has no idea how the economy works, is dependent on the government, and votes for him because he promises more handouts; and

    2) an upper-crust constituency that thinks “we already have enough,” isn’t interested in any further economic development, and believes, if anything, that we already have too much of material possessions and it’s time to start cutting back on things.


    This has been the theme of environmentalism for 40 years. The rationale changes — we’re undergoing a “population bomb,” we’re drowning in pollution, we’re running out of oil and other resources — but the message is always the same. We’ve got enough. Time to call off all this progress. Let’s go back to spinning our own yarn, growing our own vegetables, and putting up windmills.

    Together these two groups form a perfect vice to smother the ambitions of people who are interested in furthering the advance of progress and technology — the ones you might call “average Americans.”

    To me it has always been a great mystery why Obama is said to come to office representing the views of African Americans. He is, above all, a pure product of academia. Everything he says could be heard every day at faculty gatherings across the nation. “Folks out in the hinterland express their frustrations by clinging to guns and religion,” “You didn’t build that. The government built it for you.” “We face the greatest apocalypse in the history of mankind in the unregulated consumption of fossil fuels.” It’s posted on every faculty bulletin board.

    On the other hand, does anyone think that a primary concern among African Americans in these depressed days is that sea levels may rise eight inches by the end of the century? Go ask.
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    Maybe its just me, but quite a few conservative voters a) have no undertanding of how the economy works, and b) think we have "too much" and that its time to start cutting back.
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    First part of your statement I would categorize as generally false (there may be some "Bubbas" who say they are conservative due to gun rights but the vast majority do understand that for government to spend a dollar, they must confiscate it or borrow it from someone else. Second part, I would say that many of us feel that "government" has "attempted to do too much" and needs to be living within it's means and that does not include raising tax rates because they feel like spending more.
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    I think very few people understand how the economy works, especially the Fed and banking system. Moreover, I regularly see conservatives arguing that certain people having "too much" as being a justification for cutting back on various things - food stamps, the safety net, prisons, etc. Indeed the central argument is that these people have it so good and live in such "comfort," that they don't want to work. They must do without to restore their incentive.
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    I think that knowing that government money must come from somewhere and understanding the economy are two different things. Look at the number of conservatives on this board that directly blame the president for lack of faster economic growth. Ask ten of them exactly what the president did to stifle recovery, and you will get 10 different answers. At least 9 of them must be wrong.
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    For instance, how many voters do you think could explain what "quantative easing" is? Or even the reason for aggressive bond buying?
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    For one, these people aren't true conservatives.
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    I'm begining to think there is no such thing. Who are these mythical unicorn-like creatures?
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    Fiscal Conservatives have no home and a marginalized political voice. They can't be heard above the "free health care" "More food stamps" "Corporations Suck" "No Guns" crowd.
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    Ah, fiscal conservatives, another mythical creature.
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    A favorite economic fallacy of conservatives is the call for a free market at the same time as arguing against buying goods from China.
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    Exactly. The economy is almost impossibly complex, because there so many forces at work. What passes for "understanding" of economics in politics is typically an over simplifiication based largely on non-related examples (like a household) or ideological soundbites.
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    Regrettably true. We have topics over which the most esteemed economists argue, and somehow many on here know beyond any doubt. Obviously this goes for both those on the right and left.
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    Which made it possible for the left to get away with blaming the housing crises on Bush, correct?

    Concerning your "too much" comment, do you think Obama supporters should be given more welfare to help them pay for rising food and energy prices resulting from non-conservative economic policies?
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    Or for the GOP to blame Obama for weak GDP/economic growth by carrying out their preferred policy (shrinking the deficit via spending cuts).

    "Welfare" - meaning what?
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    I must have missed something - has the deficit and spending shrunk under Obama, much less slowed at any meaningful rate, as as result of conservative policies supported by Obama?

    Welfare defined as freebies. Would you grant Obama supporters more freebies to help them absorb rising consumer energy and food costs resulting from non-conservative, inflationary economic policies?
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    Lolwut... when did Obama carry out a policy of spending cuts? He guards every penny of projected increase like it is food being taken off his kids' plate, let alone actual tangible cuts of anything, winding down redundant, wasteful, or flat out illegitimate programs, etc.
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    Yes the deficit has shrunk. Yes, we have cut spending too. No one remembers the sequester, I guess.
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    I think (a) is probably true of voters in general, regardless of their leanings. Not sure where you're seeing (b) on the right, though.
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    Let me get you straight - the GOP is blaming Obama for the weak GDP/economic growth that is a direct result of the Obama created sequester?

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